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Reply #15 - Aug 7th, 2026 at 5:42am
 
Are you trying to convince me that I'm wrong about something? But, I'm just sharing my observations that I discovered not so long ago, and nothing more. If you want to check, try it, no, I'm not imposing my opinion. We understand that when throwing a sling, everything is individual. I've worked with wood and iron all my life, I've woven a lot of vines and coarse ropes, and by the age of 63 my hands have become quite rough and no longer feel the small details of the sling. And this version of the weight in the form of steel balls in the baskets of the sling helps me a lot: I throw light balls and feel that they fly like stones. In no case do I impose my opinion, but if my experience and observations help someone to throw more accurately, I will be only glad.

...Yes, of course, I've seen all these videos with precision throws.... and yes, of course I know everyone you've listed. But it's only at sports tournaments that we see real results, not staged videos. It is better to test your accuracy on standard targets and distances, or even better, in competitions where everyone is at equal odds.
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Reply #16 - Aug 8th, 2026 at 11:09am
 
I started out exclusively with single-strand(floppy) slings, and stayed that way for almost two years before making any significant attempt to use braided(stiff) slings instead. My accuracy was plenty good with single-strand, but I did run into some issues with tangling cords occasionally, mostly in the beginning when my technique was bad.

After switching for almost a year now, I feel I do prefer braided/stiff slings and that they do give a slightly better level of control and consistency. However, I don't believe that difference would make a large difference in final accuracy, and that it's mostly just preference and what you are most familiar with.

The main thing I found is that your technique has to be quite different with single-strand slings than with stiff slings becauase single-strand slings lag so far behind your arm/hand motions compared to stiff slings. Stiff slings will follow your rotations almost exactly, whereas single-strand slings will take some time to "catch up". Acroballistics has a great demonstration on this in his torsion video here(the whole video is worth watching): https://youtu.be/vOuRwrfA7GQ?t=133

I think the main reason that most people who are used to stiff slings get inconsistent release with single-strand slings is simply due to this difference in technique, and they haven't learned to compensate yet. You have to apply the force in different places during your powerstroke or you will "overtake" the single-strand sling and it will tangle, reduce the final release speed, or release at an unexpected angle. In my own experience after a few tens of thousands of throws, my accuracy with stiff slings is just about the same as it was with single-strand slings. But for the first few thousand throws, it took quite a bit of adjustment. And now if I switch back to a single-strand sling, I struggle for a while before I am able to properly adjust.

This applies both with balls and with stones, but depends a lot on weight distribution of the projectile - the problem gets worse as the weight increases and/or gets further from the center of torsional rotation of the pouch. Again, the Acroballistics video has great information on this.

Separate from the stiffness of the sling, I am curious if maybe the increased weight of the pouch gives better proprioception since you have more feedback from the pouch during your throw. I'll have to give that a try.

Side-note here - while both Primal and Pan slings look like single-strand slings, their stiffness is much greater than it appears and is closer to a braided sling than a single-strand. They both pride themselves on their cords having a long internal splice into itself which doubles up the cord density/stiffness quite a bit. If you compare either one to a standard single-strand sling of paracord or dyneema, you will feel the difference immediately. Additionally, Primal waxes his slings aggressively, and Pan recommends doing the same(although isn't waxed out of the box), which also great increases stiffness even after breaking in. These two factors give them much better torsional control, which both of them actually include prominently in their "sling features" on their websites and various videos on their channels. I've made and used a lot of plain 2mm dyneema slings, and believe me when I say they behave nothing like a Primal sling with that doubled-up internal splice.

Mersa I've got no explanation for Grin dude is just a beast with a single-strand sling - back to what I said earlier about it mostly coming down to preference and familiarity.
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Reply #17 - Aug 8th, 2026 at 1:08pm
 
@erricrice What a meaningful answer and I completely agree with the opinion here.

My thin webbing is also waxed. Recently, when it wore out, I decided to try a "repair" instead of switching to a new one—wrapping the inner strands from the old webbing over the cord. This probably added a bit of weight to the bag area.

But the main reason I choose single-strand lines is the pure feel of the implement at the end (whether it's a rock, a ball, or something else), without the feeling of the webbing.
I haven't experienced this with any braided lines. I haven't noticed this with braided lines. I suspect it's because the weight and flexibility of the line itself varies significantly.
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Reply #18 - Aug 8th, 2026 at 8:23pm
 
Pocket rock.et wrote on Aug 8th, 2026 at 1:08pm:
I haven't noticed this with braided lines. I suspect it's because the weight and flexibility of the line itself varies significantly.


Yes, you are absolutely correct here. I have braided slings out of many different materials, and it does really depend on the base material. Most natural fibers make for quite a sitff sling, but synthetic fibers vary quite a bit. Using raw dyneema fibers(from individual strands pulled from dyneema rope) or nylon results in a sling with only marginally better stiffness than single-strand slings of those materials. Stiffer starting fibers like polypropylene baling twine or polysteel make for an incredibly stiff sling, almost to a fault if you use too much material. It starts to feel like a hunk of wood and you can't feel the projectile at all.
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Re: Sling with steel balls for balls
Reply #19 - Aug 9th, 2026 at 8:19am
 
erricrice, That's right, you almost completely understood me.  The point of the post is not to convince you to throw a tennis ball with thick slings. My braided slings are quite thin and the extension is only at the basket of the sling. The point is to weight the basket with steel balls, which allow the basket to be flexible. Weighing the sling by 15-20 grams will allow you to feel the weight of the ball better. Of course, this is not necessary for a stone, and it will not help, since the stone itself has sufficient weight. Additionally, it will help if you increase the stiffness at the point of attachment and transition of the edge of the basket and the beginning of the transition to the body of the sling-this will give a more predictable descent of the ball-due to the right opening of the sling. We can see this on all the slings from the authors who sell them on the Internet.Increased torsional stiffness and stiffness in critical areas.

The task is to increase the weight in the ball area and at the same time keep the sling as thin and rigid as possible without loss of flexibility.

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Reply #20 - Aug 9th, 2026 at 7:04pm
 
Yes, sorry I went a bit off topic there - the stiffness I referred to is a related subject to weight, but not the same as your original topic here. The extra weight you're suggesting seems like it would probably help a lot with feel when using stiffer slings with a light tennis ball.
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Reply #21 - Aug 9th, 2026 at 11:57pm
 
There is no difference between a hard sling or a soft one made of a single rope or a braided one made of a paracord or a dainima. Just stuff a piece of paracord with balls so that the weight of this piece of balls is 15-20 grams and sew it in the center of the sling basket and that's it. When you throw your ball, it will no longer feel like 55 grams, but much more. Just make one such sling and compare it, I am very interested in your practical opinion after using such a sling.

The only drawback that I found when using a weighted sling with balls is that it accelerates a lot and clicks louder. A brush with a whip cannot stop like an ordinary light sling, because of this it hits the hand quite noticeably after being thrown. But if you use a long-sleeved shirt, it protects your hand from bumps. In hot weather, it will probably help to use a leather wristband))
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