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Uh oh….starting to get into distance throwing
Jun 10th, 2026 at 5:45pm
 
New personal best distance when throwing rocks at the beach today. Sent one 120 yards.

Then later this afternoon set my new longest distance record of 84 yards throwing a tennis ball at the park.

Used 29.25” seatbelt sling at the beach and 30.75” Twin Loop sling at the park, both with Byzantine style.

Already thinking “what if I use a longer sling?”  Maybe a thinner sling than paracord??  And maybe more rotation than Byzantine???


Uh….am I becoming addicted?  Was happy yesterday, but now want more!


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Reply #1 - Jun 11th, 2026 at 3:03pm
 
Wow. Slinging a tennis ball 84 yards with a 30.75 inch sling is quite a feat. I need a much longer sling to get such distances (without tailwind  Wink).
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Reply #2 - Jun 11th, 2026 at 3:42pm
 
Slinging for distance is where I could clearly see the power of the sling for the first time! Be careful, it's addicting and during that first distance slinging session I couldn't stop myself after I was experiencing discomfort in my shoulder... Gave myself a 10 day break and I'm still not sure if I have recovered fully from it.
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Reply #3 - Jun 11th, 2026 at 5:16pm
 
No tailwind. In fact, threw 90 degrees to the wind, which wasn’t blowing much anyway. In the past I threw with a tailwind but then return throws would be into a headwind. So now I just throw with a crosswind so out nor return throws don’t have that headwind.

The 84 yards was of course an outlier. I threw about 50 balls, they all were over 65 yards and at the end the last 20 went 70-75 yards. 

The 84 yard throw got a good whip and a crack. I don’t have a cracker on my sling so I thought the sling broke!  But it was not damaged.


This was all Byzantine style. Just turn your back to target and unwind hips and shoulders….that’s where my distance comes from. Injury is an issue….have to keep elbow in close to body. If I extend elbow away from body, my arm will be sore next day.

The distance for me is just getting the timing perfect hip turn/shoulder turn/wrist snap….AND somehow manage to do all this while throwing the ball at the perfect upward angle. 

I am guessing at the angle. Feels like I am throwing too low. Might need to video and check this.

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Reply #4 - Jun 11th, 2026 at 10:47pm
 
For tennis balls, the optimal angle is roughly 30degrees, for a ellipsoid, it is closer to 41 degrees if maintains the point in the direction of flight. If it maintains it's initial orientation, the optimal angle is lower. FloatingFlint had a post about it but I don't recall in which thread.

84 yards is a very solid throw, even with bounce and roll.

I was doing some calculations with a trajectory calculator that includes drag, and to get a tennis ball to land at 110m, it takes anywhere between 73-78m/s. To get it to 120m, it takes about 85-90 and for 130m, it takes 100 m/s.

So tennis balls are not a great for comparison because they all end up about the same distance once you get past 70m/s.

That being said, they are still great training tools for distance throwing, imo. I train with tennis balls for distance quite regularly. I almost always throw with a bit of tailwind (there is a strong prevailing wind nearly everyday).

I think my best is (including a bounce and roll of anywhere between 10-15 yards) is 135 yards with a long sling (45") in a sports field (mown grass).  But, again, not a great mark to compare against because local wind conditions make SUCH a large difference (I had about a 2-5 m/s tailwind).
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Reply #5 - Jun 12th, 2026 at 12:26am
 
Google AI says typical distance slinging tennis ball is 60-100 meters (65-109 yards). My throws are in the lower portion of that range (70-75 yards) except for the one “magical” throw that went 84 yards. I think there is more distance simply by cleaning up my technique. Clearly that 84 yard throw everything “clicked”, so there is an example and proof all the other throws were not as efficient.

The angle is super important for sure!!  Need to learn that launch angle.

I was trying to throw upwards at a 45 degree angle. Felt like I was throwing too low….maybe that 84 yard throw the “too low” angle actually was the correct 30 degree angle??  In any case, I am guessing the angle, so need to actually measure and see exactly what is going on.

How do you measure 30 degrees?   Do you use video or is there a better method?   90, 45, and 22.5 (half of 45) are intuitive for me.  30 degrees not so much.  Was it hard to learn the correct angle?

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Reply #6 - Jun 12th, 2026 at 3:46pm
 
When I do distance slinging, I don´t have the launch angle fully under control. It is somewhere between 20 and 45 degrees  Smiley. A few weeks ago I was practicing distance slinging with tennis balls and had a tailwind of about 5 m/s. My throws with the wind averaged at about 85 m, where as when I threw them back against the wind the average was 60 m. Wind is really a huge factor with tennis balls.

The more drag is involved, the lower the optimum launch angle is. The optimum for a 50 m/s shot with an old tennis ball would be around 34 degrees, the optimum for a new extra fuzzy ball launched at world record speed against the wind would be around 30 degrees. But often the real world does not follow the calculated numbers (backspin, ...).

Regarding theoretical maximum distances achievable with tennis balls: It all depends on the values you put in the calculator.
For example, when you assume that the terminal velocity of a tennis ball is 21 m/s, then you need to launch it at 110 m/s to get it to 100 m (no bounce and roll). When you assume a terminal velocity of 25 m/s, then you "only" need 70 m/s launch speed to get it to 100 m.

I like throwing tennis balls for distance, because I can see where the ball lands compared to the others which I was throwing, so I get instant feedback if it was a good throw or not.
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Reply #7 - Jun 12th, 2026 at 9:23pm
 
Been thinking about it and best thought is to try to throw little less than 45 degrees and hope I am close to 30 degrees   Just can’t identify a reference for 30 degrees while I am throwing. Maybe review video after the fact to try to measure launch angle.

What throwing style creates backspin?  That sounds like it would make the tennis ball climb and gain distance.

Might have to throw on a super windy day to take advantage of the tailwind!

I agree tennis balls give great feedback since you can see them land. The only frustrating thing is the flight time is so long I have time to watch and think this will be a good one….only for the ball to land way short!
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Reply #8 - Jun 13th, 2026 at 12:10am
 
If you pronate really aggressively and have a vertical release, you can get a component of the spin to be backspin. Mechanarian does a really good job of this.

https://youtube.com/shorts/-4r6uAzbDLg?si=0cbN3XjiBnKSDMrk

If you're wondering about wrist orientation I made a video a few years ago that tries to demonstrate the concepts, but perhaps did not as stellar of a job as I was hoping to.
https://youtu.be/ESrvvBFcrWM
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Reply #9 - Jun 13th, 2026 at 3:53am
 
in mech's video it appears he starts the throw behind him fairly supinated and ends palm down/over extended to the right. With each revolution around your head, our arms can only rotate so far before we have to reset and "ratchet" back. The majority of the twist in his arm is during this "ratchet"  which is the last few milliseconds before and after the release. So you have to match the rate and timing of your pronation with your release point to get your desired spin. This is more easily seen in this slow mo

https://youtube.com/shorts/jcmvf2aJFxw?si=CLdVchDUIGphsRGV


Another factor in his throw and spin in general is how you hold and release your sling. His retention cord is attached to his middle finger just behind the joint nearest the knuckle. With the release cord held at the joint near the tip on his pointer finger that makes them offset diagonally to each other. The release cord is ahead and on the inside relative to the retention cord during the powerstroke. When he pronates during the release that puts the release cord below the retention making the pouch open like a garage door almost. From the bottom up with the direction of motion going mostly perpendicular through the door. This is what creates the backspin.
If you have it the other way around where the retention cord is connected towards the tip of the middle finger with the release held as far back as possible then you can more easily get top spin and make it drop. This is all with a more vertical overhand throw like this. Everything rotates when you change to sidearm or underhand.

And Goober, that video does a wonderful job it helped me immensely when i started. As well as Sarosh's Internal Ballistics of the Sling video which i know has made its rounds but never hurts to share again.
https://youtu.be/vOuRwrfA7GQ?si=cDJA6QW8dJnkaX1H
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Re: Uh oh….starting to get into distance throwing
Reply #10 - Jun 13th, 2026 at 9:25am
 
Fascinating observation!!

I never thought about the release cord being ahead(inside) or behind (outside) the retention cord.  How can it not affect how the pouch opens?? Amazing!

Could you even think the release cord being slightly farther away (say sling pivots at your shoulder and you tip your wrist down so that when making a fist your index finger is farther away) makes the release cord velocity faster (at your hand)  and so release cord opens quicker??  (release cord farther from shoulder pivot so it is greater radius and so moves faster).   I would think you would want a slower opening pouch so the ball drags on the pouch and spins more….in which case you want to hold your wrist “up” not “down” to get more spin. Maybe tilting wrist does not work like this.    

(The wrist movement I tried to describe google says is “ulnar deviation”)

Pronate/not pronate the wrist as irongoober shows has a huge effect for sure.

BTW I hold the sling like mech (retention cord where a ring would go). Seems more secure there to me… in fact I tie an adjustable slip knot to cinch the release cord tighter to my finger!! 
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