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Reply #30 - Oct 31st, 2005 at 2:34pm
 
   Wow, now that is some craftsmanship. You are very lucky to be able to express yourself in the beauty and usefullness of a blade, especially the pattern welding.

   But anyway, like he said, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit [nevermind that they are only for firearms] is against the law. Heck, in north las vegas if you have a blade longer than an inch it's illegal. Here in the southern part of the city they're a little more lenient  Wink...
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Reply #31 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 4:33pm
 
Hello:

Sorry for being tardy..been away on business..

On the belt sword thing, like I said before...you choose to wear one, you get caught, you will get into serious trouble, and believe me, this is trouble you do NOT want to deal with.

On what I do...thank you for the kind words...I apprciate that.  It's not hard to do (at least no where near as hard as most others would like for you to believe) cause it is basically what I call "Dark Age Tech".

The techniques I employ are the same ones that have been in use since the Iron Age began. The only real difference is the power source and the raw materials. Other than that, it's pretty much the same..hand hammering, hand tools like fullers and veining dies, top/bottm tools and a whole lot of hand labour. NOt "high tech" at all...  Believe me if I can do it anyone can...

Tumakas: where in the valley are ya??  I am out in Henderson...

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Reply #32 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 5:27pm
 
[quote author=curious_aardvark  link=1128811076/20#28 date=1130155203]Hellfire - I like the knife second from the right in the picture - but I think you'll find that the majority of the forum are considerably more than 16 years old and there are actually a few who are more than capable of forging/making serious blades - lobohunter for one :-)
Most of us are growing old disgracefully and so still sound like teenagers lol

Oh wow - just checked out jph's website. So umm, any chance of a discount for slinging.org members on blades ? (well someone had to ask :-)
And how do you pronounce your surname ?
Damned impressed anyway :-)
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umm. I'm actually fifteen years old. I have made about seven bows I really like, started my 8th yesterday, that knife was kind of hard to make, took a while. My neighbor has an anvil and something similar to a forge, we had to modify it a bit. It took me two weeks to get it done, hammering with those larger hammers is a lot of work. The handle was put on differently to most anyone I think has done a handle, but I didn't see a reason why it would not work. I am working on-lately-  building up draw weight with my bows- two days ago I drew back my pappys 70# recurve. I can't draw it more than three or five times so I have to practice on that too.

I think as far as a beltsword, it won't work. Those bowen knives are slick though, and I would have liked to get one when they were available. have to go cya
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Reply #33 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 6:11pm
 
blade smithing is no terribly hard hoods woods has a cool video on primitve smithing  my blades pretty much look like hellfires nothin fancy but they work anyway I am also 15
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Reply #34 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 9:00pm
 
I really like bowie knives, theyre very wide and fairly long, nice looking knives. I might put a deeper edge on that one. I like it a lot.
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Reply #35 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 9:07pm
 
have you ever showed a knife to someone and when they see it  they smirk for some reason I think when you create something you have a better apreciation. yes that is a nice knife, where did you get the metal what is it made of?  didi you harden by dipping it in oil when you where done?
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Reply #36 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 10:14pm
 
have you ever showed a knife to someone and when they see it  they smirk for some reason I think when you create something you have a better apreciation. yes that is a nice knife, where did you get the metal what is it made of?  didi you harden by dipping it in oil when you where done?



Yeah. I think the same. You'd have a better appreciation for an ugly stick if it shot other sticks- youd call it a bow and youd be proud of it. I got the metal from an old high carbon steel saw blade. I annealed it carefully, did hammering to put in the bevel and used a plasma cutter to cut out the profile. I ground it down with the bench grinder, surprisingly I didn't have to grind it much. Then I heated it red hot and quenched it in chicken blood. Chicken blood works great, and when your buddy is a butcher, that works great too. I suppose oil would work too. This thing can really hold an edge, and I compare chicken blood to brine, so it would be a tad more brittle, but would get a sharper edge. I'm not using it as a crowbar or anything, so a brittle-ish edge is ok.
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Reply #37 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 3:57am
 
Hello:

Ya know..back in the 1980's when I was a Doctoral candidate I did a lot of research into different "legendary" quenching mediums that included water (fresh and sea), brine, oil (of various types..both petrol based and organic) wine, blood, urine (worked really well but the aroma would burn out your nose hair), ice, even a cadaver as well as some other liquids and well all I could come up with is this:

If the quenching medium was fast enough, but not too fast, to allow for the proper transition from Austenite to Cementite/Martensite the steel will harden.

Knowing what the proper quench speed is for any given steel/alloy is more important than whether the piece is forged to shape or ground out of a bar.

Forging, when done improperly, can really mess up a piece, and shoddy thermal treatment can only make it worse.  When forging is done correctly it can enhance the performance and when this is coupled with proper thermal treatment you can get some outstanding end results...

Ya know..personally, as young as you guys tend to be that are posting here... (in your teens), this gives me a great deal of hope for the future of forging stuff out. I started at the age of 12, many eyars ago......working in my neighbor's blacksmith shop, Herr Hauffmann's place in NW Pennsylvania back in the 1960's...

If you all keep at it, you all can keep a dying craft alive for the next generation or two...

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Reply #38 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 5:51am
 
Hi JPH. I looked at your site. Very nice. The thoughts passed on to some of the younger guys was very good also.
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Reply #39 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 9:03am
 
I used old car springs to make my throwing knives.
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Reply #40 - Nov 12th, 2005 at 6:09pm
 
http://www.sbcounty.gov/museum/images/Sword-china.jpg
just realized with a little work this idea could make a unconceiled belt sword just make sure your shirt is tucked in and your city allows the open dispay of swords some do.
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