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Re: Figure 8 question
Reply #30 - May 20th, 2026 at 3:08pm
 
I think that I figured out the technique.  On my drilling session this morning, I was able to throw a lot of shoulder-high, level, straight throws.   My consistency is still a little wonky perhaps because my body is still adapting to the muscles involved with the throw.  The only thing I did that was not included in my longer description of what I do is paying attention to the sling progression through the figure 8 path and purposely pulling my elbow to my side next to my rib cage before I punching towards the target for the release.
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Reply #31 - May 20th, 2026 at 8:55pm
 
I get sloppy with the windup sometimes (usually when I get tired) but generally have it down as well. I think once the windup becomes more familiar is when real progress started happening for me.

Instead of a new and strange motion that commands most of my attention, now I can focus on the other parts of the throw.

Last few throwing sessions I have worked on stepping into the throw, increasing shoulder rotation, throwing both harder and also slower, changing the angle up or down for distance or close in, throwing both pure overhead and also 3/4 arm slot.  Basically getting to the point where I have command over the figure 8 throw.

Accuracy still needs to improve! I was at 40% last week, but this week improved to 44% hit rate, so that is some progress. And now gone are the completely wild throws too…misses now are still in the general target area.

I think my goal is to get to 50% hit rate in the near future with the figure 8.  But I am really not sure how accurate I am supposed to be. I am going to have to throw by hand to see what is the hit rate without the sling as I think this should be the target baseline goal.

If I pitch from the windup I would be shocked if I didn’t hit the target 90% of the time.  But can’t pitch from the windup using a sling. Instead, I will have to make a  “non-pitching” throw like shortstop to first base-but the first baseman is a much bigger target. So really I have no idea how accurate I am just throwing, not pitching, at a smaller “sling” target. Need to figure this out.
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Reply #32 - May 21st, 2026 at 1:18am
 
xy747 wrote on May 20th, 2026 at 3:08pm:
and purposely pulling my elbow to my side next to my rib cage before I punching towards the target for the release
In fact, throwing a sling is similar to throwing a trebuchet. Our arm makes a similar motion.
And to throw with such consistency, we need to maintain the same stability in key body parts during the throw.

If you are already able to consistently press your elbow to your body during the acceleration and final release, try the Byzantine swing from behind your back while facing the target and also pressing your elbow to your body while throwing horizontally or diagonally. I'm sure you'll notice a strong resemblance in the final movements. To illustrate, you can watch Mersa throw.

And by the way, here's another important point: The position of the elbow to some extent determines the rotation of the wrist/palm.
If you're right-handed and turn your palm counterclockwise at the end of the throw (palm facing the ground), your elbow will automatically rise to shoulder level. Conversely, if you turn your palm toward the sky, your elbow will be more closely aligned with your body.
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Reply #33 - May 21st, 2026 at 1:55am
 
bandit111964 wrote on May 20th, 2026 at 8:55pm:
But I am really not sure how accurate I am supposed to be.

There is a story from the Balearic islands that an "adequate" slinger, could hit the 9 cross-bars of a traditional gate without missing (distance unspecified). https://slinging.org/19.html

No one I know is that good, but it is something to strive for!
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Reply #34 - May 21st, 2026 at 2:13am
 
Pocket rock.et wrote on May 21st, 2026 at 1:18am:


If you are already able to consistently press your elbow to your body during the acceleration and final release, try the Byzantine swing from behind your back while facing the target and also pressing your elbow to your body while throwing horizontally or diagonally. I'm sure you'll notice a strong resemblance in the final movements. To illustrate, you can watch Mersa throw.

And by the way, here's another important point: The position of the elbow to some extent determines the rotation of the wrist/palm.
If you're right-handed and turn your palm counterclockwise at the end of the throw (palm facing the ground), your elbow will automatically rise to shoulder level. Conversely, if you turn your palm toward the sky, your elbow will be more closely aligned with your body.


I didn’t know that pulling the elbow to the body is a real thing.  I discovered it while trying to lower my throw that kept going over my target.   Thanks for the info, I checked out Mersa’s videos and saw the detail with his elbow. 
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Reply #35 - May 21st, 2026 at 4:23am
 
IronGoober wrote on May 21st, 2026 at 1:55am:

Oh, well written article, thank you!
I think I understand whoever wrote this perfectly, as I have similar feelings about the comparison to "traditional" archery or firearms.
Perhaps it is this limitless potential for improvement, coupled with the simplicity of the design and the connection to intuitive, subconscious aiming, that is so appealing.

As for hitting 9 crossbars, maybe that will become a new challenge topic?  Wink
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Reply #36 - May 21st, 2026 at 10:08am
 
Yes good article. And good point, Pocket, the limitless potential I think is the main attraction.

Granted accuracy can only max out at 100% success rate….but now can you do that at different distances, different sling lengths, different ammo, smaller targets?  As you say, it becomes limitless with all the variables.  Same with distance throwing too.

The other main attraction I think is the sling, being a weapon, has a very fun factor just because humans like the violence of the throw and the dynamics of hitting something harder. Kind of like shooting your rifle at a paper target vs a soda can… just so much more fun to see the soda can go flying than it is to see a hole appear in a piece of paper. There is something “more fun” about that. I mean if just throwing was the fun part, we would not have to use the sling at all.
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Reply #37 - May 21st, 2026 at 2:28pm
 
xy747 wrote on May 21st, 2026 at 2:13am:

And by the way, here's another important point: The position of the elbow to some extent determines the rotation of the wrist/palm.
If you're right-handed and turn your palm counterclockwise at the end of the throw (palm facing the ground), your elbow will automatically rise to shoulder level. Conversely, if you turn your palm toward the sky, your elbow will be more closely aligned with your body.


Pocket Rock.et,

I experimented with turning my palm to face the ground, and the results were amazing!  I consistently threw straighter with power. I have to retrain myself to turn my wrist automatically because I trained the other position when I thought you needed the palm facing to the sky to prevent the sling cords from tangling on the release.  Apparently, this is not an issue. 

During my first session with the new wrist position, I hit my target more than I usually do, along with throwing it too early and too late as I tried adjusting my wrist position during the throw.
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Reply #38 - May 22nd, 2026 at 10:05pm
 
After a promising day of throwing using the modified figure 8 throw, the next day can be best described as throws that went all over the place.  It might have been caused by my morning workout throwing off my body feel. But my lesson, once again, is that progress does not come linearly when learning skills that require all parts of your body to work together in harmony.  At least it doesn’t cost me 10 cents per practice throw like it would cost me to hit a golf ball at the driving range.
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Reply #39 - May 22nd, 2026 at 11:17pm
 
xy747:  Having good days and bad days are pretty typical for most endeavors including slinging.

When I practice it really helps me to keep switching throwing styles. For example, throw a few figure 8’s but no more than dozen or so.

If I am hitting the target, switch to helicopter to see if I can also hit the target.  This breaks up lucky streaks with the figure 8, or if I actually am making improvement then switching styles “locks in” the improvement before fatigue/carelessness messes up the figure 8.

Alternatively, if I am missing the target with the figure 8, switching styles to my more accurate helicopter shows if misses continue then its a more general “I can’t throw today” vs “something is wrong with my figure 8”.   Or if I do throw accurate with helicopter, then at least I stopped doing figure 8 “wrong” and I find after a few helicopter throws the figure 8 usually improves.

Lately I have even been doing a 3 way switch from figure 8, to my reliable helicopter, to my new Byzantine throw. All this variety seems to help me for some reason.
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Reply #40 - May 23rd, 2026 at 12:30am
 
xy747 wrote on May 22nd, 2026 at 10:05pm:
the next day can be best described as throws that went all over the place

I've noticed that if I practice sling throwing daily (for two or more hours), fatigue seems to set in the next day. Throwing becomes less effective, less interesting, and less engaging.
But if you do "training" every other day, it seems like the resource accumulates.  Smiley
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Reply #41 - May 23rd, 2026 at 3:43pm
 
Pocket rock.et

Thanks for your suggestion.    I only worked on the figure-8 throw, so I don't have any other throws to spread the frustration of a degrading throwing session.  I will keep in mind to rest more between sessions, or maybe just focus on a specific aspect of my throw.
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Reply #42 - May 25th, 2026 at 9:03pm
 
Progress to consistency.  Today I woke up thinking that I need to ensure I drill the following with my throws:

1. A healthy firm wind up swing to ensure my sling is taut during the whole process.  My lackadaisical swings have been creating problems with my aim

2. Pulling my elbow to my ribs so that my pectoral muscles are engaged and ready to direct my arm towards the target.  During the last two days, my elbow wasn’t always in this position.  Sometimes it was positioned to the side of my rib cage which would  launch my throws far to the right of my target.

3. Ensuring that I transfer my weight on to my lead leg on the release.  If my weight stays on my back leg, I over pivot my body and throw weakly to the left of my target.

When it did all three of these correctly, my throws launched straight and level.  But I got tired quickly trying to remember to do this on all my throws today.
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Reply #43 - May 26th, 2026 at 1:37am
 
xy747 wrote on May 25th, 2026 at 9:03pm:
Progress to consistency.  Today I woke up thinking that I need to ensure I drill the following with my throws:

1. A healthy firm wind up swing to ensure my sling is taut during the whole process.  My lackadaisical swings have been creating problems with my aim

2. Pulling my elbow to my ribs so that my pectoral muscles are engaged and ready to direct my arm towards the target.  During the last two days, my elbow wasn’t always in this position.  Sometimes it was positioned to the side of my rib cage which would  launch my throws far to the right of my target.

3. Ensuring that I transfer my weight on to my lead leg on the release.  If my weight stays on my back leg, I over pivot my body and throw weakly to the left of my target.

When it did all three of these correctly, my throws launched straight and level.  But I got tired quickly trying to remember to do this on all my throws today.

Excellent conclusions! Smiley
And yes, I think all of these points are important.
I'd just like to add a few nuances of my own:

Regarding the elbow, I think the most important thing to remember is to avoid excessive elbow movement in any throwing technique. Because (again, in my opinion!) the projectile's trajectory, or more precisely, its flight plane, is determined by two points: the position of the elbow and the wrist. The plane in which the hand moves relative to the elbow determines the plane in which the projectile continues to move.

As for body weight, it's more of a supplement, helping to set the overall direction of movement and add power to the throw. And if you don't need a lot of power, simply shifting your weight from your back leg to your front leg, without taking a step, is sufficient.
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Reply #44 - May 26th, 2026 at 1:38pm
 
Pocket,

Good points.  Slinging requires the body to coordinate so many movements that any unnecessary movement will degrade the throw.
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