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Something you thought was crazy but now believe
Dec 11th, 2024 at 11:55am
 
I thought this would be an entertaining subject. It requires someone to be honest and self-reflective.

One of my favorite quotes of all time is, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - (Said to be a quote from Aristotle but who knows.)

I've posted it before but I truly believe it's an important concept.

I think the next step would be to be able to admit when you are wrong and accept what you previously would've rejected when new evidence comes to light.

For me, I grew up in a fairly conservative family and for awhile my beliefs as such were fairly black and white.

This is until I worked with at-risk youth and criminal offenders. Brother talk about an eye opener... I learned from that that you can't judge people's hearts. You simply have no idea what they've gone through. You can judge their actions all day long. And you should, because to do otherwise could put you in danger. But you can't judge their hearts. Or how they got to where they are today.

Anyways this was meant to be a more scientific commentary thread but this was one of the biggest for me and it's more sociopolitical in nature.


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Re: Something you thought was crazy but now believe
Reply #1 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 2:26pm
 
Ghosts.  I like to keep an open mind about most things but I thought that ghosts were hokum.  Ten years ago I bought a haunted house as most of you know.  That changed my mind completely of course. I started out looking for logical explanations but after a few months of relentless events I realized that there weren't any.   I don't claim to know what they are.  Most people believe they are the spirits of the dead.  I have no idea if that's right or not.  But something has been messing with me in a big way since I moved in here.  For our new members check out my New Ghostly Manifestations thread.
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Reply #2 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 2:42pm
 
For me it was that people would actually believe in crazy conspiracy theories.

I bumped into young-earth-creationism and flat-earth more than a decade ago. I just couldn't wrap my head around people actually believing things like that. I'm talking levels of cognitive dissonance which would cause me to lose sleep for years.

The process of understanding how and why these ideas exist taught me much about us as a species. I do not believe in any conspiracy theories, but I am at ease with people believing in them, and can intuitively understand the thought processes which create them.
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Reply #3 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 9:57pm
 
There are heaps of things I've come to believe lately that I never did as a child. One of the main ones is to never trust the media.

But what do you mean by conspiracy theory? Because a lot of people misuse that term for any narrative not presented on the media.
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Reply #4 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 2:37am
 
Oh I mean the named, famous conspiracy theories:
things like flat-earth, young-earth-creationism, ancient aliens, pizzagate, Q-anon, anti-vax, holocaust-denial, moon-landing-denial etc.

I'm not naive to trust the media, they are in it to make money, and making money is in no way correlated with telling the truth.
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Reply #5 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 6:07am
 
Flat earth is not completely without it's positives. Any sufficiently silly theory allows you to join the conversation and slowly ramp up the stupidity of your claims until even the flat earthers want nothing to do with you. I may or may not have done this and it may or may not have been very entertaining on many occasions. I think I even pulled in a fellow slinging.org member into the fray at one point. Though that was not my intention.

Anyways back to the subject at hand.

Those who know me know I do believe in some conspiracies.  There are plenty that have been admitted to after the fact by the conspirators themselves so no need to delve into flat earth or whatever. In my experience the only difference between a believable conspiracy theory and an admission of guilt is about 6 months to 20 years. Obviously this does not apply to things like the earth being supported on the backs of four elephants, although I sorely wish it did.

Anyways...enough of that. RM, I'm going to have to take another look at that ghost thread. Are you still having experiences? Are they sort of maintaining their level of ghostliness or has it ever peaked to a horror movie crescendo?
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Re: Something you thought was crazy but now believe
Reply #6 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 6:14am
 
RhonanTennenbrook wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 2:37am:
I'm not naive to trust the media, they are in it to make money, and making money is in no way correlated with telling the truth.


Perhaps in yours countries. In France, with fews exceptions, journalists are independant and respect ethical values.
"Anonymous" voices on social networks "mix" another music.
Can social media be trusted ?
Except Slinging.org, of course.
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Re: Something you thought was crazy but now believe
Reply #7 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 7:57am
 
Morphy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 6:07am:
Anyways...enough of that. RM, I'm going to have to take another look at that ghost thread. Are you still having experiences? Are they sort of maintaining their level of ghostliness or has it ever peaked to a horror movie crescendo?


Unfortunately the hauntings have been minimal for a while now.  Every once in a while something weird will happen or there will be a random wall tapping but the activity level has been very low.  People have suggested that they're saving up energy for something big.  I have no idea.
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Re: Something you thought was crazy but now believe
Reply #8 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 9:05am
 
Rat Man wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 7:57am:
Morphy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 6:07am:
Anyways...enough of that. RM, I'm going to have to take another look at that ghost thread. Are you still having experiences? Are they sort of maintaining their level of ghostliness or has it ever peaked to a horror movie crescendo?


Unfortunately the hauntings have been minimal for a while now.  Every once in a while something weird will happen or there will be a random wall tapping but the activity level has been very low.  People have suggested that they're saving up energy for something big.  I have no idea. 


If that's the case may I interest you in metal doors? They are much harder to explode. Honestly wish I could've seen your face when that happened. That would've been an RM moment for the ages.
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Reply #9 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 10:57am
 
   I was pretty much dumbfounded.  My hand was extended as if I was going to open the door. I just stood there, frozen in that position for the longest time.  It was the mother of all WTF moments.
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Reply #10 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 2:59pm
 
Morphy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 6:07am:
Flat earth is not completely without it's positives. Any sufficiently silly theory allows you to join the conversation and slowly ramp up the stupidity of your claims until even the flat earthers want nothing to do with you. I may or may not have done this and it may or may not have been very entertaining on many occasions. I think I even pulled in a fellow slinging.org member into the fray at one point. Though that was not my intention.


Oh I'm not interested in debating, or even making fun of individuals. The payoff for me wouldn't be worth the frustration of having to deal with them. Even if I would somehow get the upper hand in the debate, that small victory wouldn't fix my cognitive dissonance. I'd just recognize the theory, and change the subject.

I was more interested in the thought processes which are the basis for these theories. The theories are so far from reality that I feel like they represent a very primal human instinct, an organic reflex to try and explain those things for which the explanation is unintuitive or messy, or hidden behind opaque complexity.
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Reply #11 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 3:55pm
 
You're a better man than I Rhonan. I have a mischievous sense of humor. I truly don't mean it as making fun. More like playing the fool myself to get a reaction.

But I do really respect your view. One of my favorite things in the world is listening to other people's stories and their views on various topics. Political and spiritual especially.

Even if I strongly disagree or can't understand how they could believe what they do, trying to understand from there point of view is really interesting to me.

And I find virtually everyone has at least one important thing to teach others..
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Reply #12 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:27pm
 
One thing I believed as a kid was that felons and criminals are bad people

Until I grew up and realized that's not the case one of my cousins had some drug problems in his youth but now works as many as 6 days a week is married with multiple kids with his oldest in her first year of college and he's paying amazing dude very kind always treated me and my sister like he was an uncle or something but he's not allowed to vote and had a criminal record.
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Re: Something you thought was crazy but now believe
Reply #13 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 4:30pm
 
jw wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:27pm:
One thing I believed as a kid was that felons and criminals are bad people

Until I grew up and realized that's not the case one of my cousins had some drug problems in his youth but now works as many as 6 days a week is married with multiple kids with his oldest in her first year of college and he's paying amazing dude very kind always treated me and my sister like he was an uncle or something but he's not allowed to vote and had a criminal record.


100% brother.
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Re: Something you thought was crazy but now believe
Reply #14 - Mar 17th, 2025 at 3:08pm
 
RhonanTennenbrook wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 2:59pm:
Morphy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 6:07am:
Flat earth is not completely without it's positives. Any sufficiently silly theory allows you to join the conversation and slowly ramp up the stupidity of your claims until even the flat earthers want nothing to do with you. I may or may not have done this and it may or may not have been very entertaining on many occasions. I think I even pulled in a fellow slinging.org member into the fray at one point. Though that was not my intention.


Oh I'm not interested in debating, or even making fun of individuals. The payoff for me wouldn't be worth the frustration of having to deal with them. Even if I would somehow get the upper hand in the debate, that small victory wouldn't fix my cognitive dissonance. I'd just recognize the theory, and change the subject.

I was more interested in the thought processes which are the basis for these theories. The theories are so far from reality that I feel like they represent a very primal human instinct, an organic reflex to try and explain those things for which the explanation is unintuitive or messy, or hidden behind opaque complexity.


If the earth was flat then cats would have pushed everything off of it by now.
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