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Jul 6th, 2024 at 3:21pm
 
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Reply #1 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 7:06pm
 
That is some big damage!
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Reply #2 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 7:49pm
 
Very good throwing! The damage is really interesting to see - while arrows might be easily deflected by the roundness of the helmet, even a glancing stone shot has a sizeable amount of force that could put a soldier on the ground, even if only temporarily.

That bit about the brow ridge is really interesting. I know that not all helmets had a brow ridge such as that one, but it makes sense that it served a purpose like absorbing sling impacts. Given where it sits on helmets, it does really fit into the idea of functioning as slingstone protection; the face is unprotected, and while  it'ss a valid and effective target, probably will not cause immediate death depending on the projectile. The crown is much too round and will cause stones to glance. But the forehead or brow is perhaps the optimal target as demonstrated with that last shot, and the brow ridge sits in a good spot to protect from most oncoming slingstones, at least I imagine. Sort of like the trend in late Medieval plate armour to have arrow ridges so as to protect vitals from glancing arrows, although very different.
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Reply #3 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 8:35pm
 
Thanks Lewis,
Your videos have improved with practice.
Stylish and good content.
I really enjoyed that.
And .....
I love the exploding " faces".
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Reply #4 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 11:54pm
 
So fun to watch. 220J with precision is kind of nuts.

Man, I would like to see a right hand side hit with the 13" sling and the 400g stones. On the left they were glancing away, but on the right hand side the angle is such that they'd be hitting more directly into the helmet. Like in this video. https://youtu.be/_1oeZQH4oEc?si=CKT9biUesWNshjfH&t=6

I bet you'd have seen some interesting damage.

Great stuff, Lewis.
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Reply #5 - Jul 7th, 2024 at 4:27am
 
Awesome video. Pretty sure that impact would break someone's neck too. Terrifying!
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Reply #6 - Jul 7th, 2024 at 11:47am
 
Great vid.  Very interesting.
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Reply #7 - Jul 7th, 2024 at 8:45pm
 
Teeth wrote on Jul 7th, 2024 at 4:27am:
Pretty sure that impact would break someone's neck too.

This is what I was thinking too.  Even if the helmet and head are fine, that energy is going straight into whatever it's attached to.

Awesome video! Thumbs Up
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Reply #8 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 12:01pm
 
A IronGoober wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 11:54pm:
So fun to watch. 220J with precision is kind of nuts.

Man, I would like to see a right hand side hit with the 13" sling and the 400g stones. On the left they were glancing away, but on the right hand side the angle is such that they'd be hitting more directly into the helmet. Like in this video. https://youtu.be/_1oeZQH4oEc?si=CKT9biUesWNshjfH&t=6

I bet you'd have seen some interesting damage.

Great stuff, Lewis.


Thanks! Yes it would have been nice to see a hit on the right side. I'll use the helmet again for some different tests in future videos, so it's still possible.
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Reply #9 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm
 
joe_meadmaker wrote on Jul 7th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
Teeth wrote on Jul 7th, 2024 at 4:27am:
Pretty sure that impact would break someone's neck too.

This is what I was thinking too.  Even if the helmet and head are fine, that energy is going straight into whatever it's attached to.

Awesome video! Thumbs Up

Thanks! That factor also somewhat works against increasing the protectiveness of the helmet. Make it thicker and bigger for more padding, and your head becomes more top heavy. One would definitely benefit from a neck support of some kind, but that would then effect head mobility.
It's no wonder the Romans adopted big shields. Did their best to stop any impacts getting near the head, as no ancient helmet can make high impacts tolerable.
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Reply #10 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 12:24pm
 
Caspian wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 7:49pm:
Very good throwing! The damage is really interesting to see - while arrows might be easily deflected by the roundness of the helmet, even a glancing stone shot has a sizeable amount of force that could put a soldier on the ground, even if only temporarily.

That bit about the brow ridge is really interesting. I know that not all helmets had a brow ridge such as that one, but it makes sense that it served a purpose like absorbing sling impacts. Given where it sits on helmets, it does really fit into the idea of functioning as slingstone protection; the face is unprotected, and while  it'ss a valid and effective target, probably will not cause immediate death depending on the projectile. The crown is much too round and will cause stones to glance. But the forehead or brow is perhaps the optimal target as demonstrated with that last shot, and the brow ridge sits in a good spot to protect from most oncoming slingstones, at least I imagine. Sort of like the trend in late Medieval plate armour to have arrow ridges so as to protect vitals from glancing arrows, although very different.


The brow also makes the helmet hold it's shape better, as high impacts cause the whole helmet to compress, reducing protectiveness. It's also placed on that sweet-spot so that it's low enough that it's unlikely to catch stones and increase force transfer, but high enough to protect against a lot of square-on hits.
I should have shown the brow piece afterwards, as it was quite bent from impact, and no longer fit on the helmet. The fluting above the helmet also acts like a buffer against impact, but to a lesser degree.
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Reply #11 - Jul 9th, 2024 at 5:57am
 
Exciting and informative video. Thanks  Smiley
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