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Re: Hi slingers from Skåne/Scania, southern Sweden!
Reply #30 - Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:36pm
 
SlingerOfTheIsles wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 7:10am:
Welcome, those are some nice slings. I would definitely recommend to learn a few new braids and pouch styles as making the same sling over and over again gets old unless you're selling them. Beside different slings behave differently and trying them all out is always interesting, especially of they're made with your own hands. I've been mostly using mexican style slings (you can find tutorial for those, I think it's on an old tutorials page) with my own twist, made mostly from polyester ropes from nautical shops, but am currently making a knotted pouch sling from cotton strands and it looks gorgeous so far. Anyway, I made quite a text wall here, I hope it'll help.


Thanks for the welcome and sling praise. 🙂 I will look up what a mexican sling is.

Yeah new pouch styles and finger loops is what I'm doing currently but have not tried different braiding techniques besides "normal" round/flat; figure best not to stray too far from balearic slings and different braid types before getting the basics down better (still unsure on how to transition in/out of the 4 strand pouch smoothly even after seeing the Rockman tutorial; have made about 10 slings in total now and never did any of this before so figure that's not that many, still a LOT to learn and it probably won't get old in a while. Need to at least learn to make them consistently and with exact lengths of material).

^Is a 6 string round braid viable or is it too loose/more of a decorative thing (have seen it on eviltube)?

As far as the slinging goes... Well I can throw hard and far using figure 8 and balearic style but don't have much accuracy so must get onto ammo making. I like the "heft" of the 6 string and the new snake knot one so tennis balls first though.

Don't really think that was a wall of text but I like to get extensive information; am in need of it rn. Would rather know what to do before experimenting and losing more material. Thank you for the good input. 👍😉

Stabyhoun wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 8:11am:
You could skip the knot near the finger loops at all, and just start braiding.


I just finished the snake knot for the next attempt at a similar sling as the last (got it right this time; last time forgot to account for it and lost material towards the end due to uneven length). Now remember this tip... Will the braid not come undone in this case when the sling twists?

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Re: Hi slingers from Skåne/Scania, southern Sweden!
Reply #31 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 5:04am
 
It won't come undone, if you make is tight against the finger loop. In your previous slings, you have a couple of cm with straight rope, and then a turkish knot. You could just start braiding, and pull tight against the snake knots.

If you are in doubt, you could start with a (few) crown knot(s).

The easiest finger loop is with the 6-strand. Just braid about 10cm of 3-strand in the middle of the rope, fold over, and start braiding in a 6-strand. It wil be secure for the lifetime of the sling.

Just practice, and improve according to your own wishes Wink

BTW, I did make a 6-strand round braided sling, and it works fine. It is a bit heavy tough.
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Re: Hi slingers from Skåne/Scania, southern Sweden!
Reply #32 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 3:29pm
 
Stabyhoun wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 5:04am:
It won't come undone, if you make is tight against the finger loop. In your previous slings, you have a couple of cm with straight rope, and then a turkish knot. You could just start braiding, and pull tight against the snake knots.

If you are in doubt, you could start with a (few) crown knot(s).

The easiest finger loop is with the 6-strand. Just braid about 10cm of 3-strand in the middle of the rope, fold over, and start braiding in a 6-strand. It wil be secure for the lifetime of the sling.

Just practice, and improve according to your own wishes Wink

BTW, I did make a 6-strand round braided sling, and it works fine. It is a bit heavy tough.


Thanks once again for the reply and all the useful tips. Yes that's how I've made everything up to this point; with the knot near the throwing hand. One of them had a shorter distance to the knot and didn't feel as good, that's the flat one where I can feel it turning, so thought maybe it wasn't good to braid too close to the loop (open strings swing nicely). Now thinking it was more due to the flat braid (and not getting the pocket lined up well).

Right will try that version of a 6 strand next then (the 3 strand fingerloop then a snakeknot version after that perhaps). No doubt; if you say it works I'll trust that and give it a go. 👍 Not attached to the idea of using knots at all besides at the end; the fewer of them the better it would seem to me (?). Also still not sure about the 6 strand MW knot. The 4 strand seems to work OK for me, despite possibly "dressing" it wrong, but the 6 strand idk. I have made one try and that's it but maybe just got lucky with the colors lining up like I wanted them to.

Also just learnt what "tapering" is, apparently I'm supposed to remove the innards of the paracords towards the end of the sling/make it slimmer there (?), so will have a chance to try that as well. Am thinking of splicing in 3mm paracord (rn using 4mm all the way) for that purpose.

just finished up another b&w 4 strand with the non-slip loop, smaller loop this time, and having it loose DOES feel fine (more sensibly sized than the previous one). The fact that it's faster to get off the finger is good too. Also melted a few extra paracord-innards onto it to braid for a possibly different sound; braiding them will be the last thing to do on it. Dk yet how it will hold up but is an experiment.

Still unsure how to attach the pouches closer/zig-zag them into eachother like seen in pictures, can't follow the tutorials on that, but will give it another go later. Was directed to the rockman sling tutorial but it doesn't seem to describe it the way I thought (?).

The pouch transition is getting easier to do; this last sling has the best one and colors line up on both sides of it too (photo attached). With this one also stuck the "smile" in there during the braiding phase rather than afterwards (with tweezers) so pocket seems to be more secure and less likely to become loose. I like this design but will still be checking out more braiding techniques and slings like suggested above. Thanks again to you and everyone else for the help/tips. Once the weather improves here should have some more designs with pouches designed for tennis balls to try out.

Is there a good and constantly accurate way to decide on pouch-size depending on the size of the intended ammo? Braided these pouch-sides slightly wider than my palm, saw this tip on some video can't remember which, but the tennis ball doesn't feel that secure; hands too small perhaps.  Roll Eyes

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Re: Hi slingers from Skåne/Scania, southern Sweden!
Reply #33 - Jul 18th, 2024 at 5:51am
 
Great looking sling, again!

For the tapering of the release strand, I just drop a cord halfway through, and switch to a 3-strand braid.

Removing the innards of a cord, doesn't sound appealing to me. I'm not sure you can do that without damaging the outer sleeve.

Tapering isn't mandatory, but a preference Wink
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Re: Hi slingers from Skåne/Scania, southern Sweden!
Reply #34 - Jul 18th, 2024 at 11:39pm
 
Great slings, Klydd! Smiley

Stabyhoun wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 5:51am:
I'm not sure you can do that without damaging the outer sleeve.


It is possible to do it without damaging it, but it's hard to pull the sleeve back enough.

Klydd wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 3:29pm:
Is there a good and constantly accurate way to decide on pouch-size depending on the size of the intended ammo? Braided these pouch-sides slightly wider than my palm, saw this tip on some video can't remember which, but the tennis ball doesn't feel that secure; hands too small perhaps. 


You could determine the correct pouch size and measure sort of like what you were talking about, or just keep a projectile on hand to check as you go.
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Re: Hi slingers from Skåne/Scania, southern Sweden!
Reply #35 - Jul 19th, 2024 at 4:50pm
 
Stabyhoun wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 5:51am:
Great looking sling, again!

For the tapering of the release strand, I just drop a cord halfway through, and switch to a 3-strand braid.

Removing the innards of a cord, doesn't sound appealing to me. I'm not sure you can do that without damaging the outer sleeve.

Tapering isn't mandatory, but a preference Wink


Thanks for the reply. OK that sounds like a better suggestion honestly (wouldn't know which strings to shorten the innards of or how to keep track of them rn). Currently just started on another 6 string though not a 4 but I guess it's basically the same principle. Any suggestion for a good 3-string stopper knot (have not done one yet)? Tapering it to half size would seem OK. I know there's the MW-knot for 3 as well but I still don't feel comfortable with this knot; the explanations I've seen of moving the strings "up" while dressing the knot doesn't seem to be what I'm doing at all (?). 🤷‍♂️

Currently deciding on wether or not to do another braided pocket, like the last 6 string, or a zig-zag one like the 4-strings. Is one preferred over the other (and if so for what reason)? Am currently trying to make a loop without a knot, as per your explanation (picture attached), but now (albeit without having tried it yet) am thinking it may not be my thing; think I like it when the swing is as free as possible. Maybe the open loop will do that job (?).

Think I saw something about tapering being important for the release (don't know why though)?

Measured this one up to door handle (where I place the strings) to end of bookshelf so hopefully able to at least save material after this one.

Eino wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 11:39pm:
Great slings, Klydd! Smiley

You could determine the correct pouch size and measure sort of like what you were talking about, or just keep a projectile on hand to check as you go.


Thank you very much.  Smiley

Yeah have kept the intended projectile (tennis ball) close by for all of the latest slings, unlike the ones used for random rocks, but I still can't seem to get it quite right as idk how to account for the bend in the pouch when the sling is done. Seems I either make the pouch too big or small; difficult to find a/the sweet-spot. Is there some general rule for how to make it (like diameter of object + X cm to account for bend/braid type or length of sling)?

Current project (am about halfway done and currently unsure of which type of pouch to make as mentioned above). Fingerloop was a bit tricky and not sure it's done correctly; especially wanted the colors to line up this way though (for the design to look like a sunrise). Is there a design for a single finger loop that is also adjustable out there? Closest I've seen is to make a fixed one, with some design, and then put some sort of separate knot on it to slide up/down (?). This one doesn't SEEM perfect because it's not entirely flat/90 degrees towards the string but haven't tried it yet so dk.

Edit: an immediate thing is that this loop doesn't feel as nice against the finger. Rounder padding preferable...
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Reply #36 - Jul 20th, 2024 at 12:49pm
 
Finished sling. Didn't want to put the black slings in after the fact, didn't know how with the braided pouch I decided to go with, so put them in during the braiding process (hanging them from one side). Then turned out one of them was a little too big/they are a bit misplaced (it's a first) so wrapped another gutless spare string on and melted it and it can be slid back and forth a little bit to make an X; not perfect but was simple solution. Now when there's a weight in the loop it opens and does feel way better to swing (though still like the feel of the open strings). Left more distance in order to grab higher up; figure if a rock ever goes into this one (intended for tennis balls) then space for an extra finger for better grip is nice.

Going down to a 4 string earlier was probably also a good choice, it feels more "snappy" this way, so guess tapering IS for me. Didn't move down to a 3 string though; will need to look up knots for that first.

Thanks again to everyone for all of the input and tips. Guess a thicker round braid will be the next experiment.
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Reply #37 - Jul 21st, 2024 at 4:06pm
 
Another update, because a thicker round braid will have to wait, decided to make a 4 string exclusively for tennis balls first. The transfer into/out of the pouch on this one feels MUCH better. Idk if it's due to getting better at braiding, placing the extra strands or what but not just not going to bother keeping them in for long; they stay in the braid for a couple of rounds only. Still want to learn to attach the pouches to eachother like I've seen others do but still dk exactly how.

So another question. Has anyone tried just doing a turk's knot RIGHT after splicing the extra strings out and then just using a single string for the down string (doesn't get much lighter/more "tapered" than that surely)? Would that hold up good enough or not recommended? This one as said above will also be for tennis balls only so no heavy projectiles.

I don't think it'd be a big issue to remove the core from the down cord at this point. Maybe knot, like written above, isn't even needed. Recommended?

^Might have tried snake knots all the way down as an alternative but don't have enough string for that. Other option is to remove the cores of the downstrings as Blind Squirrel Rockchucker showed in a video (if that's better?). Leaning towards that rn.

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Reply #38 - Jul 22nd, 2024 at 7:47pm
 
Updating. "Finished" the above sling today. "Finished" as in I'm not sure where to keep the knot exactly, but have tied it, so trying it out with a tennis ball tomorrow before cutting anything (not making the mistake of rushing the end as so many times before). Knot feels REALLY good as it's small now thanks to the tapered string.

So I wanted to make an adjustable single loop string, and figured trying something like a yoyo-style loop at the top would accomplish that (experimentation to come) but in the meantime made this experiment (picture enclosed), two separate strings looped and connected via snake knots only, and I really like this. They turned out a nice size, the lower orange one being slightly larger to be in line, but this design also makes it possible to double them up and use them like a single loop, like BSRC's design, but now not so THICK when put over a single finger. Double they seem to be dispersing enough weight as well to not hurt throwing with (though have yet to try). Next sling either yoyo-loop experiment or trying to replicate this.

IS there an already existing design for an adjustable single loop that's not off center (besides putting a turk's knot on the outside of it; that doesn't seem to singe up very well)?
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Reply #39 - Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:35am
 
Updating to record my own progress I guess.

Just finished a sling using the above experimental fingerloops and it's my best one yet for sure. Figured out how to do the pouch transition (finally) but now need to look to get some better tools in the future (have been using tweezers only up to this point). Used no core for the wrap and connected them and braided VERY hard. Would've thought no core would make the sling more pliable but no; at least when braiding it tight it made it stiffer (which seems like a nice way to do it). Didn't leave anything hanging on this one so figure a possible cracker is attachable later. Once again ran out of material so made everything on it shorter but it can still hold a tennis ball decently. This is how I'll always aim to do the pouches in the future most likely (with or without the "smile"). Projectile releases MUCH better.

The fingerloops are just single cords so don't feel feel much at all... hand feeling free is a very natural feeling. Concern is them chafing the fingers more (if throwing a lot; hard and repeatedly) or feeling constricting when throwing something bigger but don't know yet; They can also double up as a single much better than the design by BSRC and now it's easy to just wrap it around the arm and wear it as a bracelet without feeling uncomfortable; ready to throw at a moments notice. Pros and cons with everything. 🤷‍♂️

A very general, none mentioned none forgotten, thanks again to people here and elsewhere for all the help I've in learning to make these.
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Reply #40 - Jul 25th, 2024 at 6:13pm
 
Was thinking I should ask this question in the beginner thread instead of just infinitely updating my introduction thread but also figure might as well continue here; if moderators feel a different thread is better (?) please lmk.

Just finished another sling of previous experimental design, using interlaced snake loops for the fingers, and it does feel fine (though next time am thinking I'll use double loops on both sides with open string to have it swing even easier), but I'm still thinking a bare paracord might chafe...

Is there a good knot/braiding pattern to wrap around a single paracord (ideally that could both be started/ended halfway into the loops in order to be able to keep the fingers closer and not destroy the idea of being able to use it separate/doubled up)? I'm looking for something that's just slightly thicker (to maybe use cored out cord or the core).

Any ideas besides that (?) would be nice to know.  Smiley

This is the latest sling; failed the braid on a couple of places so actually had to repair it (first time trying that) by using tweezers to shove an extra piece of cord into the spaces (there were two) and then melt it into the sling. Ran out of cord from the pocket for the downstring so one of the sides was spliced out too early. Size of picture kept slightly larger this time to show the imperfections.
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