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Practicing Larry Bray's style
May 10th, 2024 at 12:57am
 
Curious Aardvark said that Larry Bray's style is a lot harder to replicate than it looks. I can verify that!

I tried to replicate it last year, but couldn't figure out the timing. I finally think I've got it right, just today.

Here is Larry:
https://youtu.be/fBKje_xJPU8?si=uhoCzhgjEJxbPiVo&t=609

And here is me, Byzantine throws first, then Larry's style.
https://youtu.be/9etN7DkuaMM

I know that I do a couple of things poorly, like the the hips to turn first and I use too much arm (I don't keep it relaxed, the pectoral starts to move the arm forward too soon). Also, Larry leans really hard one way to have a nearly vertical arm slot so backspin is possible. Mine is more like 3/4.

Any other critiques?  I just want to see if replicating his method can squeeze out any more power. The step forward and the rapid stop does seem to help a bit, but I haven't verified with measurements yet.

In hindsight, I guess I should place a camera at the same angle as in C_A's video. ... Next time.
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Re: Practicing Larry Bray's style
Reply #1 - May 10th, 2024 at 8:39am
 
Fantastic looking form! I think getting the upward elevation for long range would change things as well. I am interested to see more...
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Reply #2 - May 10th, 2024 at 11:58am
 
What's fantastic about it? I don't see any more potential than Luis or yrek Yurek. Or Jaume, my own or others I know. Sorry
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Reply #3 - May 10th, 2024 at 12:14pm
 
Maybe it's my understanding but I always just Bray's style as a straight byzantine throw (with a kinda vertical-ish power stroke). Obviously minus all the small details that boost the power to tip-top levels.
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Reply #4 - May 10th, 2024 at 12:47pm
 
@JudoP Well, the hard part to time is the cross step he takes before the blocking leg does the final step. It is pretty much a Byzantine throw but with a small run up. The run up was the hard part to figure out the timing.

@Jaegoor It's true that it may not have any more potential than others' methods. However, until I can repeat how Larry did it, I won't know if it is better or worse for me. But I believe there is a reason Larry was able to get a stone to nearly 440m, and that is because he had a good method to generate maximum speed. I want to test his method.
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Reply #5 - May 10th, 2024 at 1:01pm
 
Maybe they start to question a story. Personally, I consider this record to be non-existent. Not this way. But feel free to keep experimenting. Maybe they'll come back to physics when they get the chance.
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Reply #6 - May 10th, 2024 at 2:25pm
 
I think this is a better video https://youtu.be/CvmpyzL4wd4?si=YLpxusz4Fx5Tq-yU&t=37
the record was achieved in 1982 and this video is from 2007 for sling golf so I expect some differences in the motion.

I dont remember the past discussions around Larry brays record, did he do multiple rotations or as in the video? did he do a fall like on the first video or no fall like in the second?
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Reply #7 - May 10th, 2024 at 2:38pm
 
For range I'd put my money on a style that has a pirouette footwork start and AA's upper body motion as when we saw him do 80m/s. the only thing I would change to AA's style would be elbow angle
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Reply #8 - May 10th, 2024 at 4:09pm
 
According to C_A, in the video I linked, the throw that was after the one shown went out of the driving range, which was 350-400 yards long.  He said Larry always did that style of throw and would fall flat after a really good throw.

All I've got to go on is this video and C_A's anecdotes.

But I completely agree that Archaic Arms' piroutte style is likely to be the most powerful. I think anything that sets up a good shoulder/hip separation is likely to increase power. I need to practice that one too. In case anyone doesn't know.. we are referring to this method:
https://youtu.be/GNZ1wl3ANf8?si=DpSVaIH33TxQwlMF

Initial frame-by-frame analysis from my video and using my height as a ruler (with an error bar for slouching), the initial speed of the 'Bray style' throws were ~68 m/s.  From the video, if  my reference length is 1.57m (5' 2") then the speed is about 65m/s, if my reference is closer to my actual height of 1.74 m (5' 8") then it was 71 m/s.   So, somewhere in the middle is likely the true value. (Byzantine was 63-69 m/s with the same range of reference) Regardless, it seems I do get a bit extra velocity when I use the 'Bray Style' maybe 1 or 2 m/s extra. This is good reference for me, because a run-up with a rapid stop always 'felt' more powerful, but I hadn't tried to get any data to verify that it was.


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Reply #9 - May 13th, 2024 at 10:22pm
 
Looks pretty good to me. Thumbs Up
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Re: Practicing Larry Bray's style
Reply #10 - Jun 8th, 2024 at 9:44pm
 
Not much difference
Well except for the all out commitment that lands you in the dirt lol
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