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Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test
Apr 10th, 2024 at 2:28am
 
https://youtu.be/_CaDUQ5-ulM?si=P8jiZKUaV4V75C6L

This is just one of several tests coming soon. Gonna really use this head for as much testing as possible. Also, be aware that the skull on this thing is WAY tougher than it seems, it's kind of like a weird very slightly flexible concrete, and also has way more "flesh" between the skull and the outside than a real head. I suspect this thing is actually harder to damage than a real head.

1: 44 grams, 97 fps/(29.5mps), 19 joules. no serious damage to skull. 32mm long

2. 44 grams, 117 fps/(35.6mps), 28 joules. full penetration into the skull and brain matter. 31mm long

3. 44 grams, 153 fps/(46.6mps), 48 joules. throw was off to the side of the radar, so realistically the speed should be higher but we'll just use this as a definite.32 mm long
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Reply #1 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 9:31am
 
Interesting.
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Reply #2 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 12:50pm
 
Very cool.

Can you add m/s in parentheses next to the feet/sec in the original post?
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Reply #3 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 2:32pm
 
Wow!  Shocked  I realize I have been watching some of your videos!

All are awesome! But I have seen some with balistic gel where the lead glans penetrate the gel point first every time! And you shot from a very short distance! It is really amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGFCR5oDjKI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR4juBDeeKw

How do you place the lead bullet in your sling pouch? Aligned in the direction of the strings (lengthwise)? Or transversely (sideways)?

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Reply #4 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:00pm
 
Nice job.  Thanks for sharing.
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Reply #5 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 10:46pm
 
Shooting at test skulls is interesting. The skull is good. The gelatine is no harder than flesh. There are also test skulls with a kind of rubber coating. Do they reproduce fractures a little better? Why are you shooting at such close range? What exactly are you testing?
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Reply #6 - Apr 10th, 2024 at 10:50pm
 
Great video!  Smiley
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Reply #7 - Apr 11th, 2024 at 6:16am
 
IronGoober wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 12:50pm:
Very cool.

Can you add m/s in parentheses next to the feet/sec in the original post?


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Reply #8 - Apr 11th, 2024 at 6:21am
 
thabaill wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 2:32pm:
Wow!  Shocked  I realize I have been watching some of your videos!

All are awesome! But I have seen some with balistic gel where the lead glans penetrate the gel point first every time! And you shot from a very short distance! It is really amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGFCR5oDjKI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR4juBDeeKw

How do you place the lead bullet in your sling pouch? Aligned in the direction of the strings (lengthwise)? Or transversely (sideways)?

Greetings!


Hey there! Glad u enjoy some of my videos 😀

Just so there is no confusion, I'll post a video of how to align bullets in the pouch. But generally, just put them into the pouch with the points facing in the direction that there is no string.
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Reply #9 - Apr 11th, 2024 at 6:22am
 
Rat Man wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:00pm:
Nice job.  Thanks for sharing.


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Reply #10 - Apr 11th, 2024 at 6:32am
 
Jaegoor wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 10:46pm:
Shooting at test skulls is interesting. The skull is good. The gelatine is no harder than flesh. There are also test skulls with a kind of rubber coating. Do they reproduce fractures a little better? Why are you shooting at such close range? What exactly are you testing?


Hello again! 👋 😀
I have found that calibrated gelatine by itself is a good medium in general in place of meat, however it definitely doesn't count as skin. In a video I am currently editing I place thick leather over the skull and sling at it for a representation of a leather cap+skin.
I purposely chose not to buy the one with a rubber coating because there are alot of videos on youtube with these heads being tested against many different weapons, and wanted to be able to compare against those too.
I'm shooting at close range because I didn't want to spend all day losing the bullets that took so long to procure. Also, I purposely used very light effort in order to A. Find out how lightly one can throw and still be lethal, and B. To simulate a long range impact that may have lost some velocity, considering it could be 200-300 yards distance before an impact.
And lastly, I just love ballistic testing. I really wanted to know how hard it was to be a lethal slinger back in antiquity, disregarding accuracy that is.
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Reply #11 - Apr 11th, 2024 at 5:34pm
 
Foresight17 wrote on Apr 11th, 2024 at 6:21am:
thabaill wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 2:32pm:
Wow!  Shocked  I realize I have been watching some of your videos!

All are awesome! But I have seen some with balistic gel where the lead glans penetrate the gel point first every time! And you shot from a very short distance! It is really amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGFCR5oDjKI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR4juBDeeKw

How do you place the lead bullet in your sling pouch? Aligned in the direction of the strings (lengthwise)? Or transversely (sideways)?

Greetings!


Hey there! Glad u enjoy some of my videos 😀

Just so there is no confusion, I'll post a video of how to align bullets in the pouch. But generally, just put them into the pouch with the points facing in the direction that there is no string.


Hi. Yes, I enjoy a lot your videos. They are very interesting!

Thank you very much!
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Reply #12 - Apr 12th, 2024 at 1:14am
 
Back to gelatine. Gelatine has the disadvantage that it has to be used at a very low temperature. But then it also simulates skin resistance. If you put leather or fabric in front of it, So you simulate clothing. Not skin. The important thing is that you have fun. In Germany, you can really get into trouble for that. Shooting at human representations is forbidden there. We tried to get permission. We didn't even get permission with a scientific background. That's why our tests took place in Switzerland
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Reply #13 - Apr 12th, 2024 at 6:25am
 
Jaegoor wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 1:14am:
Back to gelatine. Gelatine has the disadvantage that it has to be used at a very low temperature. But then it also simulates skin resistance. If you put leather or fabric in front of it, So you simulate clothing. Not skin. The important thing is that you have fun. In Germany, you can really get into trouble for that. Shooting at human representations is forbidden there. We tried to get permission. We didn't even get permission with a scientific background. That's why our tests took place in Switzerland


Wait.... u can't even use a human representation as a target in germany?! I know yall have some absolute tyrannical laws on weapons in general, but that is just awful. I hope some of my tests can atleast give a baseline for yall over there, since the officials won't give u any.
Also on the gel temperature, yes the temperature is important and have had the head cooled before testing 😉
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Reply #14 - Apr 12th, 2024 at 6:45am
 
Foresight17 wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 6:25am:
Wait.... u can't even use a human representation as a target in germany?! I know yall have some absolute tyrannical laws on weapons in general, but that is just awful.


Half agree. It seems to me excessive. But each country has a history that must be respected. Many others equally valuable countries have problems with weapons.
Maybe a subject outside slinging to avoid ?
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