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Sarosh Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Posts: 1180	The Achaean Slingers Mar 6^th, 2024 at 3:08pm https://youtu.be/a0mZ8q1hecI Finally a satisfactory solution to Livy's text on Achaean slingers
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Caspian Tiro Offline vinegar drinker Posts: 34 Squaw Valley, California Gender:	Re: The Achaean Slingers Reply #1 - Mar 6^th, 2024 at 4:11pm Very nice! I really like that solution - seems like it fits the description really well, and looks to perform well. I might need to try making one.
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IronGoober Interfector Viris Spurii Offline ...and now, No. 1, the larch... Posts: 1707 California Gender:	Re: The Achaean Slingers Reply #2 - Mar 6^th, 2024 at 10:18pm I think you are correct in your interpretation, or at least as close as anyone I've seen. It's very convincing. I should make one to see how it compares in terms of performance, but I would expect the increased twist resistance to keep things more consistent.
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Wide Right Tiro Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 11	Re: The Achaean Slingers Reply #3 - Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:58pm Amazing video! I wonder if that effect could be mimicked with modern materials such as metal wire, for those of us who are not experienced at braiding.
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thabaill Descens Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 165	Re: The Achaean Slingers Reply #4 - Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:11pm Amazing! You have made a great work! Do you think it is much more accurate than a common braided sling? Thank you very much for your great research!
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xud9a - call me zud 👍 Funditor Offline Ringing Slocks ! Posts: 717 Nottinghamshire, England Gender:	Re: The Achaean Slingers Reply #5 - Mar 11^th, 2024 at 6:31am Sarosh, Fascinating, your hard work is very revealing. Please, may I make a suggestion ? Would you be able to compare your speed and accuracy with your previous favourite sling and the Achaean ? You don't need me to explain why !! Cheers and thanks. 😁👍👍
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TOMBELAINE Funditor Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 815 france Gender:	Re: The Achaean Slingers Reply #6 - Mar 11^th, 2024 at 11:39am Interesting hypothesis. This concept is suitable for large stones. Two questions arise : 1) What were the Acheans throwing ? 2) Why other people have not imitated them ? Put it another way : advantage and disadvantage of this design ? But interesting hypothesis.
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joe_meadmaker Slinging.org Administrator Offline Slinging Ice is Cool! Posts: 3215 PA, USA	Re: The Achaean Slingers Reply #7 - Mar 11^th, 2024 at 11:39pm Excellent video, as always! Everything in your explanation makes complete sense. xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 6:31am: Would you be able to compare your speed and accuracy with your previous favourite sling and the Achaean ? +1 to this.
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Sarosh

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Re: The Achaean Slingers
Reply #8 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 4:27am

Thanks for watching!
Next video I will talk about construction and problems.
Wide Right wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

such as metal wire

you can try but it's going to be different. wire will be too stiff and will deform
TOMBELAINE wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

1) What were the Acheans throwing ?

from the text beach stones for training/war and probably lead for war
TOMBELAINE wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

2) Why other people have not imitated them ?

they didn't know how/it's easier to make other slings/different economy/pride

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Reply #9 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:31pm

I've watched the video several times.

When I make a new sling braided of palm leaves they use to be very stiff. As stiff as your sewn sling. But I used to think the softer ones throw stones better so I soak them and let them dry in order to make them more pliable.

I will try again with a new stiff one.

I am waiting impatiently for your video about making them.

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Tint Interfector Viris Spurii Past Moderator Offline Posts: 2334 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: The Achaean Slingers Reply #10 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 6:42am Wow! Thanks for making the video. Gotta try and make one!
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Reply #11 - Apr 19^th, 2024 at 6:33am

Sarosh wrote on Mar 6^th, 2024 at 3:08pm:

https://youtu.be/a0mZ8q1hecI
Finally a satisfactory solution to Livy's text on Achaean slingers

Hi Sarosh. I have watched you video many times. It is very interesting, you have done a very exhaustive and deep research about the subject.

Do you feel your Achaean sling is more accurate than common ones?

I have the impression you can aim much better with it.

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Reply #12 - Apr 19^th, 2024 at 9:28am

Probably. But it is not possible to judge from the shots in that video.
It feels like there is better control of the stone orientation and better feedback of it which helps adjust better when compared to a braided sling of the same thickness. The increased stiffness also feels like you can go a little faster without messing the orientation of the stone during wind up. From these characteristics I would expect decreased number of buzzers (random angles of attack) or increase in successful long range shots, increased hit rate overall but more significant at longer ranges.
I haven't done experiments to reach a well supported conclusion. I am still figuring out how to make it better.
I think I have observed increased spin rate which is probably connected to the cords being stiffer.

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Reply #13 - Apr 20^th, 2024 at 5:31pm

Sarosh wrote on Apr 19^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

Probably. But it is not possible to judge from the shots in that video.
It feels like there is better control of the stone orientation and better feedback of it which helps adjust better when compared to a braided sling of the same thickness. The increased stiffness also feels like you can go a little faster without messing the orientation of the stone during wind up. From these characteristics I would expect decreased number of buzzers (random angles of attack) or increase in successful long range shots, increased hit rate overall but more significant at longer ranges.
I haven't done experiments to reach a well supported conclusion. I am still figuring out how to make it better.
I think I have observed increased spin rate which is probably connected to the cords being stiffer.

Do you think a Y-sling that made with these kinds of cords might enhance its reported accuracy benefits, sort of like a "best of both worlds" situation?

I'm intrigued by your comment that the cord design seems to increase the spin on the object, as the conventional wisdom that I've read regarding Y-slings (never actually used one myself) is that they don't tend to impart as much spin on the projectile as traditional slings. And I'm wondering if perhaps that increased capacity for spiraling that you're finding with the Achaean cord design might translate to Y-slings as well, thus helping them to spiral bullets closer to how a traditional sling does and thereby increasing their range.

This might be straying a bit from the topic of Achaean slings specifically, but I think it would be an interesting experiment! Now to learn how to stitch...

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Reply #14 - Apr 20^th, 2024 at 6:50pm

Sarosh wrote on Apr 19^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

Probably. But it is not possible to judge from the shots in that video.
It feels like there is better control of the stone orientation and better feedback of it which helps adjust better when compared to a braided sling of the same thickness. The increased stiffness also feels like you can go a little faster without messing the orientation of the stone during wind up. From these characteristics I would expect decreased number of buzzers (random angles of attack) or increase in successful long range shots, increased hit rate overall but more significant at longer ranges.
I haven't done experiments to reach a well supported conclusion. I am still figuring out how to make it better.
I think I have observed increased spin rate which is probably connected to the cords being stiffer.

Thank you very much for your detalied explanation!

Wide Right wrote on Apr 20^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

Do you think a Y-sling that made with these kinds of cords might enhance its reported accuracy benefits, sort of like a "best of both worlds" situation?

I'm intrigued by your comment that the cord design seems to increase the spin on the object, as the conventional wisdom that I've read regarding Y-slings (never actually used one myself) is that they don't tend to impart as much spin on the projectile as traditional slings. And I'm wondering if perhaps that increased capacity for spiraling that you're finding with the Achaean cord design might translate to Y-slings as well, thus helping them to spiral bullets closer to how a traditional sling does and thereby increasing their range.

This might be straying a bit from the topic of Achaean slings specifically, but I think it would be an interesting experiment! Now to learn how to stitch...

I used to think the goal of the Achaean sling was to reduce the spinning of the stones. But it may be possible that actually the goal was to impart a rifle or spiral spinning instead so the range and accuracy would be greater. But I really don't know until I will try it.

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