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Eino Senior Member Offline Projecting stones with a cord-based device! Posts: 343	Sling on Trajan's column Sep 13^th, 2023 at 9:21pm Hello, I am planning on recreating the armament of the slinger on Trajan's column, and I was wondering if anyone knew what sling design is pictured. So far, I've seen one interpretation using an egyptian sling. (https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1588317387).
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Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Reply #1 - Sep 19^th, 2023 at 8:09am

He's in the middle of the battlefield. So he has very little room to move. Its sling is therefore very small.
Just my idea but I think his style looks like this post : Greek style Lecuyer. Only the position of the feet changes.
No rotation, straight ahead. It's an ideal style when there is no space and short range.
But it's just my idea.
It seems that one sees a rope at the junction pouch/strap.

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Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Reply #2 - Sep 20^th, 2023 at 3:18pm

TOMBELAINE wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

Just my idea but I think his style looks like this post : Greek style Lecuyer. Only the position of the feet changes.
No rotation, straight ahead. It's an ideal style when there is no space and short range.

That would make sense. I've been meaning to learn that style for a while, so I might as well do it now.

TOMBELAINE wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

It seems that one sees a rope at the junction pouch/strap.

Thank you for pointing that out! That would probably rule out slings with a large split pouch such as the balearic sling. I'll most likely go with a woven-pouch or egyptian sling design.

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Once, Toivo and Eino were out hunting, and before setting out, Toivo told Eino to fire three shots in the air if he got lost, and Toivo would find him. Soon enough, Eino got lost, aimed his weapon up and prayed: "God, please let Toivo see my arrows!"

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StaffSlinger Senior Member Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 479 Florida	Re: Sling on Trajan's column Reply #3 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 10:36pm That sling pouch looks to be very cupped -- enclosing the ammo quite a bit. Almost looks more cloth-like. I agree he appears to be throwing Greek style with a sling not much more than a foot long. With a deep pouch... if he can't throw, the whole thing becomes a flexible cudgel for really close combat
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Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Reply #4 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 11:36pm

On another picture (reply #1 on this thread: https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1588317387), the pouch looks much less cupped and encloses the ammo less. I wonder if the picture I posted is a cast or something where a small inaccuracy was introduced. Good observation, though.

Since I've heard the sling length attributed to both the figure being involved in close combat and artistic license to prevent the sling from breaking, I'll most likely go with a short / mid-length sling (~24" folded).

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Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Reply #5 - Oct 7^th, 2023 at 9:39am

I see what you mean about the pouch being less cupped. I do think that in the photo of Funditor his sling and ammo are much smaller (relative to the body) than what is shown on the statue. That part, though, I can believe , is artistic license on the part of the sculptor, to make the sling more prominent.

I think 24" folded would be a great length, too.

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Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Reply #6 - Oct 7^th, 2023 at 11:33pm

Thanks for the help and advice!

Here's how I plan to go forward for the rest of the kit:

The sling will be linen. I already have a pugio, but I need to modify or make a new scabbard, as it is a Titleberg scabbard, which is slightly innacurate (reply #5 of this thread on RAT). The shield looks to be an oval shape, so I am making a clipeus shield (based on the Legio XX Scutum page). I still need to get wool for a tunic and cloak, but depending on cost and my budget, I may omit the cloak for now. The belt could be another sling, a strip of linen (Legio XX Tunic), or I could finally start on that belt I have all of the parts for and have been putting off making for over a year now.

If anyone notices anything historically inaccurate with how I plan to construct the kit, please let me know.

The thread on Roman Army Talk: https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/showthread.php?tid=31724&pid=353458#pid353458

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Once, Toivo and Eino were out hunting, and before setting out, Toivo told Eino to fire three shots in the air if he got lost, and Toivo would find him. Soon enough, Eino got lost, aimed his weapon up and prayed: "God, please let Toivo see my arrows!"

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Eino Senior Member Offline Projecting stones with a cord-based device! Posts: 343	Re: Sling on Trajan's column Reply #7 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 8:32pm The linen arrived today, so I'll hopefully be able to start the sling soon. I ended up getting 8/5 linen rug warp (https://woolery.com/linen-rug-warp-yarn-8-5.html). I'm about halfway done with painting the shield, after which I just have to wax it and put on the boss.
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joe_meadmaker Slinging.org Administrator Offline Slinging Ice is Cool! Posts: 3425 PA, USA	Re: Sling on Trajan's column Reply #8 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 10:13pm I love shields! Definitely give us a pic when you get it done.
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Eino Senior Member Offline Projecting stones with a cord-based device! Posts: 343	Re: Sling on Trajan's column Reply #9 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 11:21pm joe_meadmaker wrote on Oct 26^th, 2023 at 10:13pm: I love shields! Definitely give us a pic when you get it done. Here's what it looks like currently, I'll also post pictures when I finish it.
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joe_meadmaker Slinging.org Administrator Offline Slinging Ice is Cool! Posts: 3425 PA, USA	Re: Sling on Trajan's column Reply #10 - Oct 29^th, 2023 at 5:45pm Looks good! Curious what the finished weight is too.
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Eino Senior Member Offline Projecting stones with a cord-based device! Posts: 343	Re: Sling on Trajan's column Reply #11 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 7:33pm Thank you I'm also wondering what the finished weight will be. Hopefully I can finish applying wax and attach the boss today or tomorrow and find out!
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Eino Senior Member Offline Projecting stones with a cord-based device! Posts: 343	Re: Sling on Trajan's column Reply #12 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 9:31pm Eino wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 7:33pm: ...attach the boss today or tomorrow and find out! Ummm.... or maybe not. I haven't attached the boss yet, but I weighed the shield and boss and they came in at around 8.6 lbs.
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Thearos Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Take that Posts: 3417	Re: Sling on Trajan's column Reply #13 - Dec 2^nd, 2023 at 5:37am Tombelaine, have you managed to sling with "Lecuyer" style, i.e. just a straight throw from the resting position with no rotations ? I find it hard not to lose the stone !
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Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Reply #14 - Dec 6^th, 2023 at 7:54am

If you throw straight from the resting position, the stone isn't in the axis of the sling. So I never try.
For me, the column of Trajan shows a straight fire. It also shows that the weapon is armed. Otherwise the pebble would hang vertically.
TOMBELAINE wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

Just my idea but I think his style looks like this post : Greek style Lecuyer. Only the position of the feet changes.
No rotation, straight ahead. It's an ideal style when there is no space and short range.
But it's just my idea.

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