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Feb 16th, 2023 at 5:04am
 
Thanks Thearos for this picture.
I tested this morning about ten pebbles. Perfect for "old Indian hunting style". Holding the release cord between two fingers, no need for thumb.
Skin to hide for game, a peasant hat, no weapon, maybe, we have a poor citizen who goes to war with his hunting gear. Just an hypothesis.
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Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2023 at 4:04pm
 
Bravo !

I always found the representation of the feet very accurate
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Re: Greek style : Lecuyer
Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2023 at 7:31pm
 
TOMBELAINE wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 5:04am:
Holding the release cord between two fingers, no need for thumb.

I'll have to try that out.
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Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 6:00am
 
Hi,
Does someone know the meaning of the text ?

Just my gesture from the drawing (others are probably possible) : rotate the pelvis (feet turn by themselves), keep the left arm aligned on the target and bring right hand next to left hand.
On about twenty shots this morning, I hite the target (a rock at thirty meters) twice with bad peebles. I lack training but I think there is potential with this technique.
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Reply #4 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 2:28am
 
joe_meadmaker wrote on Feb 19th, 2023 at 7:31pm:
Re: Greek style : Lecuyer
Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2023 at 7:31pm   TOMBELAINE wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 5:04am:
Holding the release cord between two fingers, no need for thumb.

I'll have to try that out.

Tell us your impressions.

I read on this forum the testimony of the "old Indian". I can't find it anymore but I'm not very good either. Obviously, there are similarities between his testimony and the drawing.
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Reply #5 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 9:36am
 
Here's Rueben's video about "old Indian".
http://www.youtube.com/user/ruebenschulz#p/a/u/0/Dqtv2o3T2AI

And now my hypothesis for the Greek picture.
The holding of the release cord is perfectly adapted and creates no problem.
I still have to train but there is potential.
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Reply #6 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 1:47pm
 
So, you're basically a human trebuchet. Interesting..
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Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 8:07pm
 
IronGoober wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 1:47pm:
So, you're basically a human trebuchet. Interesting..

Hmmm...wonder if you held a counter weight in the other hand.  It might just throw you off balance though.
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Reply #8 - Mar 8th, 2023 at 2:40am
 
There are commons points between the video and my photos despite a different starting position. Pelvic pivot, arm swing and no pre-rotation.
I still have details to work on but my first results are as follow : an estimated velocity of the projectile just under 100 kms/h (or about 30 meters per second, the range of my target but it's just a feeling) and improved accuracy.
Do these first results allow hunting ? I think so but I'm not hunter.

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Reply #9 - Mar 27th, 2023 at 8:42am
 
Tomberlaine -- what is the length of sling that you're using in those pictures?  It look much shorter than I see a lot of slingers using. 
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Reply #10 - Mar 28th, 2023 at 2:10pm
 
The release belt measures 50 cms. It's an old sling I have.
On the drawing, its lenght can be estimated at 70 cms. Approximatively.
I am currently testing a new technique. Direct fire straight ahead. I'll take pictures as soon as possible.
From an old drawing, finding the most likely gesture is exciting. We have to leave what we think we know so as not to miss a gesture that may have disappeared today.
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Reply #11 - Apr 3rd, 2023 at 7:08am
 
I tested two methods : trebuchet and straight ahead. It's personal  but I prefer the second.
Having no chamois or calfskin, I took my coat. It's necessary to shift the right arm outwards.
In red, the position of the sling.
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Reply #12 - Apr 4th, 2023 at 5:02am
 
This is my methodology.
I tested 4 different releases. Circular on the right side, abandoned. Bottom circular, abandoned. Circular over, trebuchet. And straight ahead.
I tested the two last in the forest. Definite advantage for the latter : less movement for comparable power.
I also tested with and without fingerloop. It's better with.
If others members want to try, I'm very happy to have their input.
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Re: Greek style : Lecuyer
Reply #13 - Apr 4th, 2023 at 4:32pm
 
TOMBELAINE wrote on Apr 4th, 2023 at 5:02am:
Circular over, trebuchet. And straight ahead.

Can you elaborate on the difference between these?

I'm picturing 'circular on the right' as a sidearm release.  'Bottom circular' as an underhand release.  And 'circular over' as an overhand trebuchet-like release.  But I picture a straight ahead throw being very similar to the overhand trebuchet method.
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Reply #14 - Apr 5th, 2023 at 5:12am
 
In the movement " straight ahead", the arm leaves in the axis. With my poor English, it's difficult to explain better.

An illustration of a "trebuchet" style. (Old Indian)
http://www.youtube.com/user/ruebenschulz#p/a/u/0/Dqtv2o3T2AI

From the position of the hand "palm to top", the Greek drawing would plead for "trebuchet". However the drawing represents the starting position but il does not describe the evolution of the movement.

Just my conclusions and I can be wrong. But I love this work.

Looking for old gestures is a very random undertaking. And for those who are interested, the position of the feet on Makron cup (shared by Thearos) is identical but in a war context.

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