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Hypothetical survival questions
Dec 11th, 2021 at 8:37pm
 
What do you think?

1. Could you kill a whitetail deer with a slingshot? If you say yes name your set up and how you plan to do it.

2. You have a high quality kern mantle climbing rope and a knife or hatchet. You cannot make a sling or bow in this scenario. You have a week before an annual migration of local hooved animals come through. How do you use the items you have to best prepare?

3. Which would be worse, constant cold where fire was not an option or constant biting flies with no way to get away from them?
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Reply #1 - Dec 12th, 2021 at 3:05am
 
Geez, these are all pretty painful questions.

1. Ive never used a slingshot, so no. I assume youd have to have one hell of a slingshot to do the job. To me, even a sling sounds extremely iffy even if accuracy was perfect. I cant imagine a conventional slingshot would do much better. Though again, Im ignorant of it. A slingbow is probably the way to go with that. Since I dont know how to use that either, Id surely starve anyway.

2. Id sulk over not being able to use a sling, and then Id try to crank out as many atlatl darts and spears (possibly to use with a throwing string) as possible and pray that whatever animals are coming are slow moving. I dont know flint knapping, so Id try grinding out points and using wooden points to spam at the prey. Chances are Ill then die by getting gored or trampled.

3. Both sound utterly dreadful, but Ill take the flies. Being out in the cold causes skin irritation and pain for me after a while. It pretty much adds up to the same thing, might as well have a nicer climate. Then Id croak of some insect borne disease.
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Reply #2 - Dec 12th, 2021 at 8:20am
 
The first question has always fascinated me. I believe The Slingshot Channel has gotten hand gun levels of energy from sling shots which is where that question stems from.

The second question is open ended. That could go in a lot of different directions.

The third is I grant you miserable. Not really sure the point of it other than curiosity.  Wink
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Reply #3 - Dec 12th, 2021 at 1:08pm
 
1) not at the moment. With some of joergs toys, .75cal ball bearings and a lot of practice, probably.
Or use an arrow slingshot. Those things look almost as effective as crossbows.

2) try and anticipate the migration path and set snares. Also make some bolas. If you can get close enough I've always said it's the best way to bring down a large herbivore. You will need to get close up and bloddy with the knife - but if it's them or me. It's going to be them.

3) you evil man. But cold every time. You can - presumably - use the animals you brought down in part 2 to make clothes and exercise will always warm you up. The insects will probably just kill you from blood loss or infection, the cold gives you a greater chance of survival.
As the inuit admirable illustrate.
Plus dying of hypothermia, is - by all accounts - fairly painless, and if one of them's going to kill me, I'll take cold every time.
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Reply #4 - Dec 12th, 2021 at 2:57pm
 
1. No. I could kill a rabbit or a duck with a slingshot. Possibly I could stun a goose long enough to club it but I think that's a long shot. No way you kill a deer with a slingshot.

2. I would use the rope to make snares. I would make a blind close enough to my snares to quickly dispatch any large game I caught with a spear and club.

3. I think the constant cold with no fire would kill you faster than the flies though both could finish you. I guess the cold would be a more merciful way to go.
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Reply #5 - Dec 12th, 2021 at 9:47pm
 
My knowledge of survival and hunting is pretty much minimal, so the following responses are not from any particular expertise.

1. I think it could be possible. In my impact testing, I broke a deer leg bone through a piece of 1/2 inch plywood. The throw was with a 172g stone and the calculated speed was around 27 m/s. One thing to note is the bone was dried out, so likely more fragile. But 27 m/s isn't all that fast. If you had a monster slingshot that could handle a stone of 175g or higher, and get it over 30 m/s, I think a headshot could drop a deer. Or put it down enough that you could run in and finish the job.

I have essentially no hunting experience. If I was attempting to do this, I would probably try to find a deer trail or maybe a place near a water source. Then set up a hiding spot or up a tree. Then wait. The hard part would obviously be getting close enough for a headshot attempt. I would probably end up going hungry.


2. I've never used an atlatl, but I might try to make one. Although I would first make some long spears because that's likely what I would end up using. I would try to find an area where the terrain and surroundings limited escape routes. Somewhere that I could set up snares, or possible some kind of net trap made with rope and branches, then attempt to drive animals toward it. Hopefully something gets caught and I would be able to spear it.


3. I would 100% take the cold. I can't stand a constant itching sensation. With all the weeds and brush around my house, I seem to get into poison ivy (or something similar) every year. Drives me up a wall. Give me a cut, an ache, a burn, or whatever over an itchy rash any day. Plus I take cold showers and sling outside in a T-shirt when it's 30 (F). So bring on the cold.
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Reply #6 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 10:36am
 
For hunting you need camouflauge. Sew netting on top of your outer garment then attach foliage to said netting to make a ghillie suit

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Reply #7 - Dec 26th, 2021 at 8:58pm
 
1. Slingbow is that cheating to shoot an arrow from the slingshot?  If not, its basically the equivalent of a bow, so thats my setup.
2. Deadfall.  Set up debris traps at a funnel point from above the deer assuming such terrain exists
3. Id take cold over insects unless its fatal and insects are not, then I guess I choose insects you jerk.
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Re: Hypothetical survival questions
Reply #8 - Dec 27th, 2021 at 9:40am
 
1. Yes in a perfect circumstance. Probably ground blind on thick laneway. Close, like 10m max distance.
Thermaband gold flatbands , tapered, maybe around 50pounds. on a extended draw style slingshot with armbrace lowfork and dropping arrow rest. 500-600grain carbon micro diameter arrow with iron will 2 blade with bleeders. If the slingshot can shoot arrows.
If not
Then Im less confident but if give it a try with a down facing tree stand , need to be mega close.
Not sure exactly how Id set it up , definitely less poundage and maybe need a tungsten B.B. to make it more deadly.

2. Fell trees , make shelter, make fire . Try kill some with spears. Maybe even a really average bow and arrow

3. Both scenarios sound like ones where you would die , so Ill die in the cold

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