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Slinging with a shield
Nov 12th, 2021 at 5:49pm
 
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Reply #1 - Nov 12th, 2021 at 6:23pm
 
Youve got all the best toys lol. Great video man!  Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Nov 12th, 2021 at 6:45pm
 
Wet Tennis ball = dead  Smiley
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Reply #3 - Nov 12th, 2021 at 6:54pm
 
YEAH!!!!† A sling and shield video!  Cheesy

Did you get that shield to do that, or was it just something you had laying around the house?
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Reply #4 - Nov 13th, 2021 at 9:41am
 
YES!!   Now I need a full auto, belt-fed, shield-mounted sling.   Where's Jorg Sprave when I need him?
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Reply #5 - Nov 13th, 2021 at 2:10pm
 
Honestly NOOC, I donít think itís as awkward as you think. I donít think any swinging motions would leave the body completely defended all of the time. Thatís probably how itís supposed to work. Your handling looks a bit awkward, but you might just need a slinging shoulder bag like Jaegoor.
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Reply #6 - Nov 13th, 2021 at 2:11pm
 
   I don't think you looked all that awkward.  You seemed to almost have it down pat.
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Reply #7 - Nov 13th, 2021 at 5:58pm
 
I wonder if that is why bucklers were often depicted. Because they aren't attached at the elbow, even when you turn you shoulders you can keep the shield in front of you.
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Reply #8 - Nov 13th, 2021 at 8:57pm
 
joe_meadmaker wrote on Nov 12th, 2021 at 6:54pm:
YEAH!!!!† A sling and shield video!† Cheesy

Did you get that shield to do that, or was it just something you had laying around the house?


Iíve had that thing lying around for a few yearsÖ long story.  It was bought for a very specific purpose, but that purpose never panned out, so I finally dusted it off and tried slinging with it.
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Reply #9 - Nov 13th, 2021 at 9:10pm
 
IronGoober wrote on Nov 13th, 2021 at 5:58pm:
I wonder if that is why bucklers were often depicted. Because they aren't attached at the elbow, even when you turn you shoulders you can keep the shield in front of you.

That's a good point IG.† Along with bucklers, any center grip shield would work.† A lot of Viking shields were center grip.

I went back and looked at the shield video I did when I was using the pitchback net.† The look is very similar.† As my shoulder rotate through the throwing motion, the shield moves to the side.† It's then brought back in front after the throw.

I think this is unavoidable with a shield that straps to the forearm.† The only way to prevent the momentary vulnerability would be to not rotate your upper body.† But that would obviously decrease the power of the throw by a large percentage.
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Reply #10 - Nov 13th, 2021 at 9:26pm
 
Hirtius wrote on Nov 13th, 2021 at 2:10pm:
Honestly NOOC, I donít think itís as awkward as you think. I donít think any swinging motions would leave the body completely defended all of the time. Thatís probably how itís supposed to work. Your handling looks a bit awkward, but you might just need a slinging shoulder bag like Jaegoor.


Iím pretty comfortable with the slinging form part, but it still felt pretty awkwardÖ My rate of fire was maybe 1/3rd or 1/4th as fast, accuracy was worse than normal, and reloads were really bad. Obviously an ammo bag would help, but the biggest thing is that I need more practice. I definitely think I could do better.
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Reply #11 - Nov 13th, 2021 at 9:49pm
 
IronGoober wrote on Nov 13th, 2021 at 5:58pm:
I wonder if that is why bucklers were often depicted. Because they aren't attached at the elbow, even when you turn you shoulders you can keep the shield in front of you.


Having used a sling and shield one timeÖ Iím obviously not an expert, but I definitely can see why a buckler might be preferred for freedom of movement and mobility. I wonder though if maybe the buckler is more useful for hand-to-hand combat than ranged defense, since slingers pictured with a buckler usually also have a sword.
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Reply #12 - Nov 14th, 2021 at 2:25am
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Nov 13th, 2021 at 9:49pm:
I wonder though if maybe the buckler is more useful for hand-to-hand combat than ranged defense, since slingers pictured with a buckler usually also have a sword.

Well, to be a bit flippant, if I were in a battle, I'd want at least a stick with me in addition to the sling, especially if I wasn't well shod and/or in great shape for running. 

But it does make you wonder how a buckler and short sword could be effective, especially if the sling could out range bows. Shouldn't they be out of range? (perhaps not from other slingers?) I would think the buckler/sword would really just be insurance for if the battle didn't go as planned and they needed to defend themselves, or possibly if more bodies were needed for a route of the other forces.  But I know next to nothing about ancient battles so I probably shouldn't be spouting my unsubstantiated thoughts, and yet, here we are.
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Reply #13 - Nov 14th, 2021 at 5:08am
 
Shields without an arm brace, like a Saxon shield or Roman scutum, allows you to hold the shield out in from of you and cover more of your body from projectiles. I think that would also act like a buffer to help against high energy impacts, i.e big stones.
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Reply #14 - Nov 14th, 2021 at 9:58am
 
I have a buckler which I've been meaning to do a video with. One problem is that it's all steel and is HEAVY. Note I wrote HEAVY not heavy. Holding it out in my left hand for any length of time is not easy. It's a combination of me being weak and it being a not very historically accurate shield. I think most bucklers would have been far lighter. I have done some test "shots" with an empty sling and, as far as I can tell comparing it to Nooc's video, it's far easier to rotate my body and keep the shield in place. The centre-grip is the main reason it's easier, but the riot shield being far taller, wider and generally more bulky looks like it makes slinging more awkward. I'll try and get a video this week slinging with my shield.
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