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Sarosh Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Posts: 1167	Re: New Ranking System Reply #15 - Nov 11^th, 2021 at 9:21am 2 shots in a row @ 50m can the avg archer even do that?
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Reply #16 - Nov 11^th, 2021 at 9:55am

Archaic Arms wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 7:10am:

So I've done some thinking and I recon a target that's 1ft round would be a good balance of both worlds.

That's a far easier target to make and set up. I like it. I have a pan (another one) that's 24cm diameter so actually a little small, but still close enough and better too small than too big Cheesy

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Jaegoor Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 2832 Gender:	Re: New Ranking System Reply #17 - Nov 11^th, 2021 at 11:12am a coin can hardly be seen at twenty meters. at thirty meters they can no longer see a coin. shoot them at Kubb. Woods. these games are standardized
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Reply #18 - Nov 11^th, 2021 at 1:43pm

Sarosh wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 9:21am:

2 shots in a row @ 50m can the avg archer even do that?

Sorry for confusion, I should have been clearer. I didn't mean to suggest two hits in a row, but instead two hits that are within 10 shots apart from each other.
For example, say you make the 50yd hit. You now have 9 shots left to hit it again, in order to get the 5-star rank.

With that said, I definitely recon an archer could hit a 1ft round target a 50yds, twice within 10 shots apart.

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Reply #19 - Nov 11^th, 2021 at 1:49pm

Jaegoor wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 11:12am:

a coin can hardly be seen at twenty meters. at thirty meters they can no longer see a coin. shoot them at Kubb. Woods. these games are standardized

How big was the coin you were using?
The background and how shiny the coin is important as well.
Today I found out that with a dark background, I can clearly see a 10p coin (under 1" diameter) at 125yds, so I could probably see it even further away.

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Jaegoor Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 2832 Gender:	Re: New Ranking System Reply #20 - Nov 11^th, 2021 at 2:02pm there are things i believe and there are things i don't believe some I want to see before I believe it.
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Jaegoor Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 2832 Gender:	Re: New Ranking System Reply #21 - Nov 11^th, 2021 at 2:03pm https://youtu.be/N0263QMyMdU
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Archaic Arms Funditor Offline Testing and inventing "Archaic" weapons. Posts: 733	Re: New Ranking System Reply #22 - Nov 11^th, 2021 at 3:55pm Jaegoor wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 2:02pm: there are things i believe and there are things i don't believe some I want to see before I believe it. There are pictures in this thread: https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1636237960/15#23 If the camera sees it, then the eyes certainly can.
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Archaic Arms Funditor Offline Testing and inventing "Archaic" weapons. Posts: 733	Re: New Ranking System Reply #23 - Nov 11^th, 2021 at 5:41pm Let's establish this first, with a poll. Metric or Imperial?
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Reply #24 - Nov 11^th, 2021 at 9:44pm

what a camera sees, they don't have to see for a long time. in my hall I shoot at twenty meters. they just barely recognize a rolling two euro coin. at over 100 m you can no longer recognize them. and certainly not shoot at it with a sling. i shoot different weapons. modern and archaic. I like to invite you and you show me what you can do.

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Reply #25 - Nov 12^th, 2021 at 11:49am

Archaic Arms wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 3:55pm:

Jaegoor wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 2:02pm:

there are things i believe and there are things i don't believe some I want to see before I believe it.

There are pictures in this thread:
https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1636237960/15#23

If the camera sees it, then the eyes certainly can.

If you have a shiny coin, the scattering of the light (diffuse reflectance, not specular reflectance) can make the coin "seen" at a distance much further than the eyes (or camera) can actually resolve the shape. Try the same thing with a dull coin, I think you'll find different results.

I like the 2 hits in 10 shots idea, but once you get out to the max distance, then how do you rank higher?

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Reply #26 - Nov 12^th, 2021 at 12:47pm

IronGoober wrote on Nov 12^th, 2021 at 11:49am:

If you have a shiny coin, the scattering of the light (diffuse reflectance, not specular reflectance) can make the coin "seen" at a distance much further than the eyes (or camera) can actually resolve the shape. Try the same thing with a dull coin, I think you'll find different results.

I like the 2 hits in 10 shots idea, but once you get out to the max distance, then how do you rank higher?

Yes it is true, if the coin was tarnished and not shiny, the visible range would likely be a lot less. On the other side of the coin (pardon the pun), If the sky was clear and the sun was at my back, a shiny coin would be visible from a very long distance away.

Regarding the ranking system, I don't think a "max range" may be necessary, and perhaps the system made difficult enough so anything over 50m (5 stars) is very rare.
That's why I've been thinking 3 hits in a dozen shots is probably better than 2 two hits in 10. Would be more interesting and exciting to watch, as well as make it suitably more challenging.

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Reply #27 - Nov 12^th, 2021 at 1:54pm

Jaegoor wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 11:12am:

a coin can hardly be seen at twenty meters. at thirty meters they can no longer see a coin. shoot them at Kubb. Woods. these games are standardized

This has been my experience as well although its been long enough since Ive made a long distance video that I forgot it in my earlier responses. One solution is to have a camera at the target end facing the slinger. This, of course, presents its own issues.

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Reply #28 - Nov 13^th, 2021 at 4:14pm

Jaegoor wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 9:44pm:

what a camera sees, they don't have to see for a long time. in my hall I shoot at twenty meters. they just barely recognize a rolling two euro coin. at over 100 m you can no longer recognize them. and certainly not shoot at it with a sling. i shoot different weapons. modern and archaic. I like to invite you and you show me what you can do.

Thank you for the invitation Jaegoor, I would very much enjoy a visit once/if the world resolves itself.

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Reply #29 - Nov 13^th, 2021 at 4:46pm

So the poll results are in and it's a very conclusive victory for the metric system!

So what do people think about a 30cm round target as the standard?
Simply put, I think it's a nice round number, and fits in standard backpack nicely. I also think it's a size that's better suited to the growing number of great slingers.

Also, what do people think about 3 hits in a dozen shots for each 10m increment?
For example, if I was going for a III-STAR rank, I would film myself slinging at the 30m target until I get a hit. Once I get one hit, I now have 11 shots left to get two more hits. (to qualify for the III-STAR rank)
I think it's challenging enough that I don't think we will ever see any VII-STAR slingers (maybe?), but easy enough that the majority of slingers should be able to get a rank.

Please tell me if I'm horribly mistaken or if what I'm suggesting belongs on a compost heap...

Also share your own ideas/suggestions if you have them.

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Question: Target Size
Standard Balearic 'Diana' (50cm) 8 (57.1%) Target (30cm) 3 (21.4%) Other 3 (21.4%) Total votes: 14 « Created by: Archaic Arms on: Nov 14^th, 2021 at 6:28am »