Ive been wanting to introduce a ranking system for some time. This is one of the major reasons behind my max accuracy threads in the past so im totally with you on that.

Im of the opinion that for a ranking to mean something it has to be based on multiple hits in a row at least 2 times in a session with it happening 3 sessions in a row. Also the amount of shots you are allowed in each session and of course distance and ammo size are all part of it.

The reason behind this is to try and squash the ability to simply sling thousands of shots until you get a hit. Or perhaps sling just a normal amount of shots and get a *really* lucky streak that places you on a level you arent good enough to be at.

By using the above method we would reduce the incident of luck to almost nil. This would make each rank a very solid and consistent view of how good someone is on that rank.

Im not saying it would have to be exactly as the above but something that gets rid of luck and focuses on consistency imo would be ideal.

Archaic Arms wrote on Nov 9^th, 2021 at 11:24am:


Archaic Arms wrote on Nov 9^th, 2021 at 11:24am:


Morphy, I thought that if one is forced to do the distances in succession, the element of luck diminishes rapidly. Because if it was just luck (random chance) that allowed you to hit a target, the probability of you getting the second is even more remote because the distance has increased.

I kind of like the idea of just needing doing it once, because as I learned from my trickshots, you can get really really close many times and still not achieve the goal. You can be so, SO consistent and dialed in and still miss. Needing to do it twice in a row may just be adding in another factor of luck rather than reducing it.  You could add in a certain number of tries, etc., but then it makes keeping everyone honest more difficult. It would be easier to do in person, but on this virtual platform, I think a single verified hit should be sufficient, as long as it is in succession.

Feel free to disagree.

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Morphy wrote on Nov 9^th, 2021 at 5:05pm:


I don't think that would be an issue, as there is nothing stopping the better slinger from going for a higher rank. (after all, there is no cap to how many stars you can have)
Determination will certainly aid you, but that also goes for any other video-based ranking system.

One more thing - The higher the rank, the less luck.
A beginner may by pure chance get the 10y hit, but there is no chance they could climb the ranks and stand amongst experts with 6 or so stars, without becoming an expert themselves. At those distances, so many other factors come into play; factors that only experience would allow you to overcome. I actually see it being representative of skill level (especially the higher ranks) if people took it on.

I think both ideas are valid.  One is about being able to accomplish a task.  The other is about being able to repeat the accomplishment.  Either works fine, it's just dependent on what we're after.

There will be much more opportunity for people to rise in the ranks if it's just a single hit.  I completely agree that one hit doesn't represent a slingers skill anywhere near as much as repeating a hit.  But I do know that I'm never getting 2 hits in a row on a coin at 20 m (or yards, whatever is decided on).  I might be able to pull off a double at 10.  But at 20, that ain't happening. 

IronGoober wrote on Nov 10^th, 2021 at 5:48pm:


That is a fantastic and simple solution. I love it!!

Also just to clear something up I wasnt thinking multiple hits on a coin.. I was thinking more of a system of distances and targets that are reflective of the skill level one desired. The first level could be multiple shots on maybe a balearic target at 10 meters. All the way up to something like a soda can at 50.

But yeah thats neither here nor there, I love the idea IG. Im totally in.

I'm liking where this is going IG.
In retrospect, I think before we establish anything we should try and make everything as practical, compact, and simple as possible. There are some legitimate downsides of using a coin as a target. (filming complications have been pointed out, repeated hits extremely difficult, and they are easy to lose once hit)
So I've done some thinking and I recon a target that's 1ft round would be a good balance of both worlds. It's small enough to fit into a backpack, and should be big enough to video up to 50yd/m, especially if painted a contrasting colour.
I'm wondering whether a target this size, combined with a 'streak' based system would work well for our mostly online community.

Here's the notion:
In order to get 1 star, you have to hit the target at 10yd/m twice, with the two shots no more than 10 shots apart.

In order to get 5 stars, you have to hit the target at 50yd/m twice, with the two shots no more than 10 shots apart.

And so on...
You get the idea hopefully.

The idea behind this is that you can just have the camera rolling the entire session, and then just edit it after to have a short, uncut slinging clip with the two hits (within 10 shots apart).
This combines some of the importance of repeatability that Morphy mentioned, with greater simplicity and ease of filming. It should also be easy enough to give most people a couple of stars, while being difficult enough to make a rank like 5 stars properly impressive.
We could play around with the numbers a bit, say instead of two hits within 10 shots apart, have 3 hits within 15 shots. Or something like that. It should be difficult enough to keep the ranges relatively low.

I now see the sub 1" coin at 50yd being a terrific online challenge, and that's probably were it should stay. Get the it and you join the Crack-Shot Club...

Any thoughts?