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Catal Hüyük "Slinger"
Nov 8th, 2021 at 5:53pm
 
This is a famous image amongst us slingers as potentially being the oldest depiction of a slinger; ~7000BC

Does anyone have a picture of this as a part of the greater mural?

I think it used to be on the website but it's no longer there.
As far as I remember, it was the only sling depicted amongst lots of bowmen (some who where holding their bows near the end), and has drawn skepticism as a result.
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Reply #1 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 6:24pm
 
Ask and ye shall receive. It can be seen in Mellaart 1967, Plate 46, Pg. 95. The book is called something like “Catal-huyuk: A Neolithic Town in Anatolia”


It can be found on an internet archive. It’s on Pg. 92 of the online book.

https://archive.org/details/Catal-huyuk.ANeolithicTownInAnatolia/page/n91/mode/1
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The other object the slinger is holding is suggested to be a club, though it’s impossible to tell.

It looks like it’s being used against birds, which would check out. There is what looks to be a mirror image. Perhaps showing the sling is spinning?
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Reply #2 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 6:27pm
 
Ein tolles Bild. Ich liebe es
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Reply #3 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 6:35pm
 
https://books.google.com/books?id=_lqHDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=catalhoyuk+sl
inger&source=bl&ots=Et9LpZDJzb&sig=ACfU3U0tX1agt8StXdR_U9ugCGvIXo6h6w&hl=en&sa=X
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er&f=true

I found the original source here, starting at pg. 82. There’s some interesting additional info about head injuries and clay balls in Catal huyuk.

Overall, I think the slinger interpretation is probably the best. It could be a bow held at the bottom with an arrow in the offhand, but it would also be quite strange.
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Reply #4 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 6:46pm
 
Es gibt einige Details, die perfekt für einen slinger sind. Die Haltung der der Arme. Die Stellung der Beine . Und der Haken Fuss vorn.
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Reply #5 - Nov 9th, 2021 at 2:29am
 
Considering the additional evidence of slinging in the area, I can't not see it as a slinger. Why would anyone draw an archer like that? It's not impossible, but it just seems very unlikely it's not a slinger. Even if it's not, it's a very strong image. It really leaves an impression.
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Re: Catal Hüyük "Slinger"
Reply #6 - Nov 9th, 2021 at 6:31am
 
Also going with "Slinger". Looks like hes hunting two birds.
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Reply #7 - Nov 9th, 2021 at 7:16am
 
Oh it's definitely a slinger.
Jorn, one of the German slingers, has a style that can be perfectly superimposed over the catalhyuk image.
It's uncanny.

Jaegoor's style is very similar, but jorns is identical

If you use an overhead helicopter style with the free arm pointing at the target and a side on stance.
That's catalhyuk

Unlike many of the Greek images of slingers, which would seem to be merely posed models, catal hyuk is most definitely taken from a real life slinger.

The fact that it depicts a slinger in mid-throw, indicates it was taken from life.
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Re: Catal Hüyük "Slinger"
Reply #8 - Nov 9th, 2021 at 8:13am
 
Thank you for the link!
I would go with slinger as well, typical slinger in motion stature.
If you download the book, there are several times slingers mentioned. Have not managed to find the according pictures though...
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Reply #9 - Nov 9th, 2021 at 8:15am
 
Perhaps its an early depiction or a forerunner (like Utnapeschtim for Noah Story) of the hercules and the stymphalian birds topos? Tendentially Heracles is a very archaic figure of a quite neolithic kind, often depicted with a club or sling and an animal skin...
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Reply #10 - Nov 9th, 2021 at 8:49am
 
there is a detail.  what distinguishes this style.  look at the front foot.  he looks unusual.  twisted.  it often happens that the hips are turned over in the shot.  Shots then go too far to the left.  If you turn the front foot inwards, your hips can no longer overwind.  it is stopped.  their hits get better.
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Reply #11 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 3:48am
 
funditor wrote on Nov 9th, 2021 at 8:15am:
Perhaps its an early depiction or a forerunner (like Utnapeschtim for Noah Story) of the hercules and the stymphalian birds topos? Tendentially Heracles is a very archaic figure of a quite neolithic kind, often depicted with a club or sling and an animal skin...


The birds are huge compared to the slinger.
It seems that the focus has been put on the feathers to draw the wings.
Funditor, I agree with you.
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Reply #12 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 2:13pm
 
Ok so...let me throw a curveball here. The largest known flying bird is Pelagornis sandersi. It was similar to an albatross but much bigger. It was believed to be a bird that flew over the ocean like an albatross. The skeleton we have dates from approx. 25 million years ago putting it just a tad before this mural was drawn.

But we dont really know for sure when they went extinct. What we "do" know is a similar sized bird called Argentavis Magnificnes was around to at least 10,000 years ago. So if one very large bird could survive it would seem at least possible that another species could as well.

See where im going here? Might this have been a large ocean going Pelagornis sandersi that flew of course like albatross have been known to do?

Most likely not, but I like considering the idea that he/she was actually slinging at a giant bird. Cheesy
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Reply #13 - Nov 11th, 2021 at 10:55pm
 
Sounds like you want to mix together The Birds and Jurassic Park. Let’s do it.
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Reply #14 - Nov 11th, 2021 at 11:06pm
 
Hirtius wrote on Nov 11th, 2021 at 10:55pm:
Sounds like you want to mix together The Birds and Jurassic Park. Let’s do it.


Yea lol. Mostly tongue in cheek but at east for one species the timelines add up. It actually might have happened at some point. For me thats amazing to think about.

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