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Reply #15 - Sep 27th, 2021 at 5:11am
 
My new personal sling philosophy is that the slinger is what matters. A slinger should train with all kinds of sling he can think of or utilize from this direct environment. Cotton strap slings, leather belt slings, heavy slings, long slings, short slings, captive slings, stiff slings, floppy slings, braided, twisted, small pouch, large pouch, light, heavy, medium stones of all sizes and shapes, staff slings, direct throwing styles, rotor styles, at any release angle, with wide grip, tight grip, wrist loop, finger loop, no loop, smooth release cord, knot release, big knot release, tab release, loop release. All of this gives the greatest adaptability. I think adaptability to slings is key. A good slinger can get around with even a belt as a sling because he will know how best utilize it. For example when I use my canvas belt as a sling I know it needs ~400g rocks to shine and a direct-no rotor throwing action.
This adaptability allows the slinger get a sling from materials the environment dictates and use it in a manner which the environment allows. As long as it is flexible enough it can be made into a sling and I feel like I can adapt to any sling setup now with an ~hour of training and get proficient enough with it. With ammo, aim for natural stones of various shapes and sizes as this is the most available. And train at all distances...

You could stamp in a certain specific slinging ritual with a certain specific sling or only a certain weight of stone and get really good with that specific sling but
what if you lose it...or what if there are no such specific stones you seek, or the environment prohibits the use of your slinging style that you have solely practiced?

We can place a static target where our sling projectile goes and hit it consistently, and think we are a good slinger, but fool ourselves.
I think what determines a good slinger now is the ability to adapt.
When you train with such varying slings and styles you just notice you get the ability to swap between slings very quickly.
And the training I do with one type does overflows to the other. Because good form is key to all styles.
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Reply #16 - Sep 27th, 2021 at 5:44am
 
StaffSlinger wrote on Sep 26th, 2021 at 9:49am:
After 70+ years on this planet, and expertise in a variety of disciplines, I believe I can unequivocally state that there is no "perfect" anything.  No perfect sling, firearm, musical instrument design, archer's bow or arrows, aircraft, recipe, partner, place to live.  None.  Nada.  Nil.  Zip. 

There is only What Works Best For You.  A handful of other may agree with you.  Other may not.  They don't matter.  You do.  Find what works best for you andbe happy with your finding.


Agreed.

Is the best sling for long range 50g lead glande throwing also the best sling for 200g target slinging in a confined area such as a forest?

I believe you can only achieve the 'best' sling for you, your technique, the ammo you prefer and the type of slinging you tend to do. However, if you like to mix up the above you may find the best overall sling will be outshone by more specialty slings in various areas. So in reality the 'best' sling is just best on average over the things you like to do, or a generalist.

Nevertheless it is valuable to try, you may learn a lot.
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Reply #17 - Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:45am
 
I'd beg to differ, based on much observation of Balearic slings in operation in the Balearic Islands.
Half the slingers struggle to throw the right size and shape rock without the damn things coming out sideways or backwards.

Simply by having a great big hole in the middle, a split pouch will always be more limited than a solid pouch.

If it works for you, great Smiley
But believe me, they are a long long way from being the perfect sling design.
Watching Balearic slingers proves that in spades.

They are specifically designed for big rocks at short ranges, and then only because it's a fairly easy and quick design to make with very basic materials that grow wild on the islands.

Pretty impressive watching someone pick s handful of grass and have s completed sling a couple hours later.
But they are very much horses for courses.
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Reply #18 - Sep 27th, 2021 at 10:35am
 
I've gotta agree with J above -- the sling isn't as important as the slinger and his/her ability to use what's available in terms of both the sling itself and the ammunition. 

Same thing in archery -- it's not the bow that shoots good or the arrow that flies straight -- it's what the archer does with the equipment at hand.
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Reply #19 - Sep 27th, 2021 at 5:13pm
 
Curious Aardvark wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:45am:
I'd beg to differ, based on much observation of Balearic slings in operation in the Balearic Islands.
Half the slingers struggle to throw the right size and shape rock without the damn things coming out sideways or backwards.

Simply by having a great big hole in the middle, a split pouch will always be more limited than a solid pouch.

If it works for you, great Smiley
But believe me, they are a long long way from being the perfect sling design.
Watching Balearic slingers proves that in spades.

They are specifically designed for big rocks at short ranges, and then only because it's a fairly easy and quick design to make with very basic materials that grow wild on the islands.

Pretty impressive watching someone pick s handful of grass and have s completed sling a couple hours later.
But they are very much horses for courses.

The point of a split pouch is to be able to adjust the size of the pouch to the size of the projectile, and because the flat braids sit underneath the projectile, it's not physically possible for the projectile fall through, unless you are trying to lob greasy, mirror-polished tungsten spheres.
I don't see Luis or Jaegoor having any issues with 'Balearic' slings, and I haven't encountered any myself, so you are incorrectly assigning the problem to the design instead of the user. I have seen the same issue myself when teaching my brother how to sling, where the stone flies out of the pouch unintentionally, but I never have any issues at all when using the same sling. It is due to the sling being rotated incorrectly, not the sling itself. Give the same balearic slingers who where having stone retention problems a cortaillod sling, and they probably wouldn't be able to use it at all, my brother certainly can't, even though the cortaillod is what I would consider 'peak' sling technology, and works terrifically in the right hands.
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Reply #20 - Sep 27th, 2021 at 6:09pm
 
Whilst I agree that the slinger is the most important part of the equation I disagree with some of the narrative here.

The sling does play a role , and some are better than others in certain ways. Sure some are more for targets , some for distance, some for ammo adaptability ect ect.

Instead of searching for the best sling it might be easier to eliminate slings you don’t like.

Like I said for me personally if the finger loop doesn’t cinch then the sling is already worse that an identical sling with a cinching fingerloop.

Also for me I like a lighter sling because I hate having any “recoil”  after the shot.

I also disagree that changing slings will make you more proficient, I don’t think it’s a bad idea but nor is practicing with one sling. I practically used 1 sling my whole slinging career, I can sling other slings as well and don’t think I’m at any disadvantage with my “adaptability” to sling or scenario.

All in all
Practice
Have fun
Experiment
Take criticism
Explore
Practice some more
And some more
And by that time you should start seeing what you like the most
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Reply #21 - Sep 28th, 2021 at 5:00am
 
Whenever I am in a place with stones I am glad to have any kind of sling with me. There were times I had to resort to using my canvas belt (rip.) but anyway that's hours of fun right there
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Reply #22 - Sep 28th, 2021 at 8:46am
 
My thoughts on this have basically been covered by others, but I'll put it out there anyway.  I don't think the term "best" gives us any information without knowing what specifically is being talked about.  As others have inquired, the best at what?

In one of the posts, the following characteristics were listed:

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the best sling design is one that has the most power, the best accuracy, the longest range, is the most efficient, and basically the best in every way possible.

These hit on functionality.  But will the sling need to be the best in other categories?  Such as having the tightest and cleanest braid (assuming a braided sling)?  Will it need to be the prettiest sling if hanging in a display case next to others?


Going back to functionality because that's the most important part, I don't know if a sling could simultaneously be the best at all the characteristics listed above.  Just as an example (and this is for me personally), the sling I would choose for max accuracy and the one I would choose for max distance would not be the same thing.  To have a sling that can do all aspects well would be a great sling, but it may fall into the 'jack of all trades, master of none' category.

But as others have said, I look forward to hearing about the results of your searching and experiments.  If you do find the best sling, I can't wait to see it.  Smiley
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Reply #23 - Sep 29th, 2021 at 8:23am
 
   Here's my two cents.  There are many excellent designs and materials to chose from.  It comes down to personal preference.  The sling I'm most comfortable with is a modified pj with an elongated pouch.  Jute is my material of choice.  It certainly won't last as long as a sling made from synthetic fibers but I like the feel of it.  Honorable mention goes to the TS3 and Rockman.
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Reply #24 - Sep 29th, 2021 at 1:54pm
 
As I see it, the perfect sling is whichever one I'm in the mood to play with at the time.  I've made and have a pretty wide variety of designs made of a variety of materials. 

Each one has its advantages and foibles.  I seem to get the best accuracy at +- 50 feet with a peaceful jeffrey, but I don't like the lumpy feel of the pouch on release.  I like the feel of a tapered andean sling best, but I'm not as accurate with it.

These days I keep a cotton string andean sling in my back pocket all the time.  Why?  It's cheap, does its job, and is really comfortable to sit on. Cheesy

That being said, if you come up with a design and material combo that works best for you and is downright amazing, please share it with us.  We're always eager to learn from each other's triumphs.
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Reply #25 - Sep 30th, 2021 at 4:42am
 
I like a versatile sling design that can work with a wide variety of rocks up to 500 grams in weight.
That requirement doesn't require an extraordinary special design.
Leather seems to be able to handle the most abuse.
A higher rock weight can make up for many imperfections. Little fast flying stones however have to have a good
round shape if they want to be anything for me other than useless
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Reply #26 - Oct 13th, 2021 at 1:39pm
 
Well here is an experimental design that I came up with. The loop side is thin synthetic twine that is braided and the release side is micro cord. The pouch is very flexible and thin (but still very durable) deer leather. It is 27” long. I was going to make it 30” but I screwed up some how when measuring the twine for the loop cord Roll Eyes
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Reply #27 - Oct 13th, 2021 at 1:42pm
 
And yes I know the colors don’t match, but this sling works very well for the first design.
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Reply #28 - Oct 13th, 2021 at 3:52pm
 
   I like it LJ.  With all the experimenting I've done I never tried a sling like that. 
   I also agree with J's statement above.  One should learn to use all kinds of slings, projectiles, and styles.
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Reply #29 - Oct 13th, 2021 at 6:03pm
 
Ich slinge nun schon wirklich lange. Und immer wieder kommt die Frage nach dem besten Design. Dem besten Stil. Steine bis 500 g.  Grin warum? Kann man machen. Für Anfänger ein No Go. Welches Material. Usw. Sie wollen gut werden? Wählen sie ein Design. Einen Stil. Trainieren sie Konsequent. Ganz einfach.
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