@ratman: that makes no sense at all. So if someone is going around raping and murdering other people you would say, “well I wouldn’t do that but I’m not going to stop them because I shouldn’t tell them what to do” after they rape and murder your friends and family. It doesn’t matter how a person kills someone else whether it be in the womb or not, babies are still human beings inside their mothers womb. Just go back 200 years when there still was slavery in the U.S. they made the same argument. They said “well slavery is ok cause black people aren’t fully human.” Which isn’t true. Even putting their baby up for adoption is far better then murdering it because they are selfish and irresponsible. You also were saying something about if a woman is raped and there is a baby, well two wrongs don’t make a right, they can always give the baby up for adoption.

Iron Goober here's the AP rundown on it
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-492214263305

The UK science chief initially misspoke and called it 60-40 when it was 40-60, either way, it's about half.

The data I've seen from the US is we have a higher % of unvaccinated people in the hospitals but the UK experience (and the Israeli experience) trigger a good deal of skepticism. It wasn't that long after the UK experience that the language started shifting to "protects against hospitalization and death" Bear in mind though that the raw fatality rate is already less than 1% and a huge majority (97% last time I crunched the data from the CDC) were over 65. This virus REALLY takes the older set. What about the 3%? I do want some good research into that. Some is obvious comorbidity or obesity, but my brother who is a nurse has talked about some 40 year old body builders he's cared for in the ICU who didn't make it. What is it that makes you vulnerable to COVID is the question. Thank God, it's not kids.

I believe in Israel 2 jabs no longer count as vaccinated. You have to get 3, and they are already talking about a 4th and 5th and so on. Easy way for them to say the unvaxxed are filling the hospitals that way when the unvaxxed are actually double jabbed.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-israel-being-fully-vaccinated-now-means-three-sh...

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     It makes no sense to you. To most of the rest of the world it makes perfect sense.  Abortion isn't rape or murder.  It's getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy.  An undeveloped fetus is not a sentient human being. 
     Though we disagree totally on this and most likely always will, I can appreciate your point of view until your last statement.  The notion that a woman who has been raped should have the rapist's baby then give it up for adoption is beyond ludicrous.

@ratman: there is no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy it’s called the people having the baby don’t want to be responsible for their actions. If a woman doesn’t want to be pregnant then don’t get pregnant in the first place it’s that simple. But that’s what happens when the public schools take God out of the picture and replace God with the theory of evolution (which is actually a hypothesis by the way). The result is a bunch of selfish, ungrateful, and irresponsible adults.

I'd agree with you and say they are the most trusted, but not the most trustworthy.

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     Accidents happen, birth controls fail, rapes occur,  etc., etc.  Though I agree that many times irresponsible actions are the cause, accidental, unwanted pregnancies do occur through no fault of the participants. Living in your own fantasy world because it suits your agenda doesn't change reality. 
     You seem to want to really cover the whole gamut in one thread.  Sooo, as far as God in our public schools, that violates our constitution. Did you ever read our constitution?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/separation_of_church_and_state#:~:text=Separatio....
   Which God do you want to put in our public schools?  Zoroaster? Zeus?  Buda? Allah?  Odin? Thor?   You probably mean your Christian god.  Thankfully our constitution prevents zealots and other weirdos from inflicting their superstitions and religious hypocrisies  on our school children.  There are Catholic, Christian, Jewish, etc. schools for those who wish for their children to have a religious education.  In schools paid for with my hefty taxes no god has any place.