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Re: Any country that values freedom over safety?
Reply #120 - Oct 17th, 2021 at 1:23pm
 
Sarosh wrote on Oct 14th, 2021 at 3:45am:
Morphy wrote on Oct 11th, 2021 at 3:52pm:
I wonder if covid is really even the issue


covid deadly or not once enough people were afraid of it, it was a great opportunity for radical change. every tragedy if it makes people emotional it's an opportunity for more power.



Covid is definitely deadly but for the vast majority of cases its the 65 and over. Our reaction to it has, imho, been greatly exaggerated. It will be interesting to see how big a part the vaccine passport plays in our lives. We are seeing supply chain slow downs in America so its effects have not been fully felt as well. Hopefully we are headed towards mending from covid.

You could look at Africa or South America if you are really interested.  South America has some really nice areas with nice houses for a relatively low cost of living.
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Re: Any country that values freedom over safety?
Reply #121 - Oct 17th, 2021 at 6:10pm
 
Hirtius wrote on Oct 14th, 2021 at 12:00am:
That is not a dig on you Morphy, because I don’t know you well, it’s just a general observation from others I’ve been around.

If it sounds like there are political undertones in that statement, I’ll be a bit more blatant. The coup attempt in my country did not come from those advocating for Covid measures, it came from those opposing them.


Hmm. But doesnt the black community have a large portion that are refusing to be jabbed? They are almost all left leaning so it might have less to do with politics for people than you think.

As for the other, I dont really take sides in that. Im not really sure what it has to do with the subject at hand either. Kick them all out I say.
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Reply #122 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 2:54pm
 
Intriguing data....! If this is true, we're in for a HELL of a ride the coming months.
https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/15/its-worse-than-we-thought-fully-covid-vaccinated
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Reply #123 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 3:05pm
 
It's absoutely mindbaffling crazy to think, but I believe this winter and spring we are to witness death of more than a billion people. It's something i had to come to terms with and grasping for over a year now, to prepare mentally. I am not going to start hiding my thoughts on this.
 I hope I am wrong, I really do.

I don't mind being called a conspiritard or a religious nutcase. I wish you vaccinated nothing but the best, even though I get extreme hate and flack from them in the real world. I will not hate them back because to me they are victims. Lead to the slaugherhouse by the Godless rulers of this world. In the end we will see what this trust in the world and science will lead to. One thing I am sure of, In this day to be a rebel means to be a devout Christian !

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Reply #124 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 7:00am
 
Sarosh wrote on Oct 11th, 2021 at 9:00am:
I dont know if you read it all.
the idea is to escape to wilderness. when I posted this my country had measures that made that illegal. Following a covid quarantine pattern every 2 weeks they renewed the measures prohibiting access to wilderness without making any decent effort to fight what caused the problem(fire), fearmongering or top down terrorism won again. it's like training to be afraid what you are told to be afraid of. The question was any countries that dont do that? based on governments and peoples response to covid.

areas with very low population density like deserts and tundra means that these kind of measures cannot be enforced so they win by default.
the more interesting is to find a place in the temperate zone that has people but the government doesn't interfere too much in their lives.

capitalist countries are adopting the worst practices of socialism willingly, if we are going socialist we need a plan or we end up totalitarian, I see no plans so...


I'm sorry you can't do that in your country, my comment was slightly tongue in cheek anyway. I think anywhere there are humans people will gather into society and make rules, laws, norms that help the society work better. The only way to escape that is to escape other humans.

I personally see no danger of socialism. There is a tension between public health benefit and individual personal freedoms in my view, that is all. It is a compromise like many complex issues.

Morphy wrote on Oct 11th, 2021 at 3:52pm:
Looking back on this thread I wonder if covid is really even the issue. Perhaps this is the real issue. That is the ability to argue that we are actually heading in that direction. If you cant convince people that there is a real danger of approaching totalitarianism virtually nothing else you say matters.


With my comment I tried to hit at the heart of the matter- freedom vs social behaviour.

I don't see any danger of totalitarianism in this. Indeed not even close. There have been pandemics before, measures taken before, temporary constrictions of freedom.
From my perspective in the UK it seems that the PM was always keen to remove the measures as soon as possible, even before it was wise to in my view. There was clearly democratic pressure to do so, this is working as intended no?

I have a friend who left this country because he was worried about the restrictions. I think in the fullness of time this will prove to be unnecessary.

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Reply #125 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 7:29am
 
I hope you are right JudoP.. If im going to be a fool for something I hope it will be in this.
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Reply #126 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 8:21am
 
JudoP wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 7:00am:
I personally see no danger of socialism. There is a tension between public health benefit and individual personal freedoms in my view, that is all. It is a compromise like many complex issues.


I see socialism as a tool, if its good or bad depends on how you use it and the results you get. the right wing here applies socialist-like politics for its benefit, maybe you can see it happening in other western countries too.

thanks for taking the time to answer. I could go more in depth but I'm a little tired of political discussions.
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Re: Any country that values freedom over safety?
Reply #127 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 8:29am
 
Sarosh wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 8:21am:
I could go more in depth but I'm a little tired of political discussions.

I agree 100% with this.
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Re: Any country that values freedom over safety?
Reply #128 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 10:45pm
 
Kick wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 8:29am:
Sarosh wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 8:21am:
I could go more in depth but I'm a little tired of political discussions.

I agree 100% with this.


I agree with the sentiment. Shall we move on to religion now?  Wink
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Re: Any country that values freedom over safety?
Reply #129 - Oct 22nd, 2021 at 6:25pm
 
Morphy wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 10:45pm:
Kick wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 8:29am:
Sarosh wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 8:21am:
I could go more in depth but I'm a little tired of political discussions.

I agree 100% with this.


I agree with the sentiment. Shall we move on to religion now?  Wink


Let’s just go straight to everyone’s favorite topic… naked men!
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Re: Any country that values freedom over safety?
Reply #130 - Oct 22nd, 2021 at 9:29pm
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Oct 22nd, 2021 at 6:25pm:
Morphy wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 10:45pm:
Kick wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 8:29am:
Sarosh wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 8:21am:
I could go more in depth but I'm a little tired of political discussions.

I agree 100% with this.


I agree with the sentiment. Shall we move on to religion now?  Wink


Let’s just go straight to everyone’s favorite topic… naked men!


Naked men actually may be a new one for us. Lead us off my man.  Cheesy
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Re: Any country that values freedom over safety?
Reply #131 - Oct 23rd, 2021 at 4:08pm
 
Well… somebody must get the conversation started  🤷‍♂️
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“My final hour is at hand. We face an enemy more numerous and cunning than the world has yet seen. Remember your training, and do not fear the hordes of Judas. I, without sin, shall cast the first stone. That will be your sign to attack! But you shall not fight this unholy enemy with stones. No! RAZOR GLANDES!  Aim for the eyes! May the Lord have mercy, for we shall show none!“  -Jesus the Noodler
 
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