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Reply #15 - May 28th, 2022 at 9:12am
 
I've noticed a similar effect when using a 17" all leather sling. The springiness seemed to add velocity (with light stones especially). I think it could be that the stretched sling gets shorter after the main part of the power-stroke. Similar to when a spinning skater pulls in their arms, they spin faster.
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Reply #16 - May 29th, 2022 at 2:07pm
 
I’ve never noticed any springiness in paracord, with stones from small to large. I can’t imagine it impairs effectiveness much.

Has anyone tried a bungee cord sling or something?
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Reply #17 - May 29th, 2022 at 2:43pm
 
The military-grade paracord I have is very noticeably springy/spongy to me at 28" The longer the sling, the more noticeable it is.
Another idea is that the springiness temporary delays the projectile's  acceleration as the cord stretches, essentially lengthening the power-stroke slightly. That's what I get from the feeling anyway.
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Reply #18 - May 29th, 2022 at 3:39pm
 
Do you what type (meaning size) that paracord is AA?  Last year when I did all my big stone slinging, the two slings I used were single stand 550 paracord.  The largest stone was almost 5 lb.  Noticeable stretching was minimal. The sling lengths were 33" and 45" (I think).
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Reply #19 - May 29th, 2022 at 4:19pm
 
Maybe people who prefer natural fibers notice springiness more or something. Or it could be that the properties of paracord, being relatively dense, might create a difference in feeling that people think is stretching. I don’t know.
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Reply #20 - May 29th, 2022 at 5:52pm
 
That could come into play.

There is variation in paracord too. The last time I ordered some 425 (3 different colors), two of them were nice and tight but one was pretty springy.  So I don't doubt folks could be running into brands that have some stretch.

Maybe we need to start a database of the best places to get good paracord.  Smiley
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Reply #21 - May 29th, 2022 at 6:21pm
 
joe_meadmaker wrote on May 29th, 2022 at 3:39pm:
Do you what type (meaning size) that paracord is AA?  Last year when I did all my big stone slinging, the two slings I used were single stand 550 paracord.  The largest stone was almost 5 lb.  Noticeable stretching was minimal. The sling lengths were 33" and 45" (I think).

Military 550. Proper dense stuff.
The stretching is most noticeable to me when slinging smaller stones at max velocity, where there most acceleration is involved. I suppose it's relatively subtle, but being used to completely unyielding fibers like linen, esparto, dyneema, etc. I can definitely feel the difference.
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Reply #22 - May 29th, 2022 at 11:21pm
 
joe_meadmaker wrote on May 29th, 2022 at 5:52pm:
That could come into play.

There is variation in paracord too. The last time I ordered some 425 (3 different colors), two of them were nice and tight but one was pretty springy.  So I don't doubt folks could be running into brands that have some stretch.

Maybe we need to start a database of the best places to get good paracord.  Smiley


I’ve had that too. I largely use 550, but there are number of variations. I have one brand that have something woven in the paracord that makes it slightly stiffer, which then makes the pouches completely stiff and horrible at holding stones. Others have weird textures or other things. I’ve largely just adapted to a single brand of paracord.
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Re: Paracord popular for modern slings but..
Reply #23 - Jun 3rd, 2022 at 1:50am
 
Here's my two cents on stretch.

Paracord is designed to stretch but should not be apparent when dealing with the loads we have during slinging (even for 5 lb rocks - Joe, you're a beast). When a cord is unloaded, the braid is in a relaxed state. Once some tension is applied, it will strain until the braid tightens. For Paracord, that tightening should occur during pre-rotations.

Any amount of stretch is bad. Stretch of the cords and pouch, implies that work was done onto the sling. Most of the work you impart to the stone occurs at the start of the power stroke (it will take too long to explain why in this post). As a result, a lot of the acceleration occurs at the start of the power stroke too. As the power stroke progresses, the centripetal acceleration will decrease but the angular velocity (and tangential velocity) will not. Therefore the centripetal force Fc = mv²/r will not decrease. So, any stretch that occurs will not shorten until after the stone leaves the pouch.

You might say the stretch lengthened the throwing arm. That would increase power if the acceleration of your arm and not the force available to apply is the limiting factor (which I think is often the case). However, there is an efficiency loss due to friction (which would still increase power if there is sufficient force available). And if you had any observable stretch in the cords, the amount of work you put into that elongation would be way more than just using a slightly longer cord with no stretch.

I could be wrong, but this is my understanding.
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Reply #24 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 10:04am
 
I don’t know if you guys keep up with the academic journals or not, but archaeologists recently found an ancient Peruvian cave poem that addresses this very issue of sling stretch. Obviously paracord wasn’t a thing, but when choosing between grasses and wool, they had many of the same questions we do today.  If you can look past the war-like tribal tone, the poem is actually quite technical in how it addresses these questions.  Here’s a rough English translation:

“My grass sling don’t jiggle, jiggle. It folds.
Your wool sling ammo likes to wiggle wiggle for sure.
The blood of your injuries will dribble, dribble you know.
Riding in my chariot. You’ve really got to see it…”

I won’t bother quoting the rest of the poem, because it goes on about how marrying a cousin is the best way to keep royal bloodlines pure, and that just doesn’t add much to this debate.
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