Well I use both thin floppy cords and a wide grip but I think I get pretty decent results.

For me I think that the slinger is more important than the sling or projectile.

You can’t cheat slinging, practice wins over equipment.

Turtles. Am I right or what?

I’m convinced a lot of these theory threads are murky. It seems you have to read them several times to understand what fixing the supposed problem that is presented is meant to fix.

I’m still not 100% if this thread is ultimately making the claim that reducing both longitudinal and radial “oscillations” makes for the most accurate sling.

If it’s not that I don’t know what else it’s claiming.

Think about it... there’s basically three aspects of slinging. Target, Hunting, Distance.


Nothing in this thread seems to indicate it’s about distance throwing. Hunting sling theory tends to be more focused on the practical aspects like length, speed of wind up and of course a mixture of power and accuracy. But I don’t see that here.

It would seem it’s about target throwing. But if that’s the case there’s a very, very easy way to prove one’s theory. Head on over to the Max Accuracy thread and show what that sling design can do. Either it provides an observable benefit or it doesn’t. If it does and if one is good enough to make use of that benefit and therefore prove it exists to your slinging peers, it will take exactly one post to get that ball rolling.

Really...it is SO easy. It doesn’t take 3 pages of questions and answers. It takes approx. 10 minutes of throwing at most.

So what is the hold up? I don’t think it should fall on others to post videos proving something wrong. Because I can post theories much faster than a person can disprove said theories. It should fall on the person making the claim to do something to back it up.

Ok, PHEW. I looked at the title and it said rant so damnit I ranted! /Morphy Out 

I agree to some extent AS.

"If" such a sling is more forgiving it would be a nice plus. I also think its likely that if any sling were to be more forgiving it would not surprise me if it was one that remains static as much as possible within the throw.

That being said I think when discussing large differences in weight and shape we need to be careful how much credit we give to the sling. Truly large differences in shape are beyond any slings ability to help. Too many things happen after leaving the sling for what happens in the sling to matter.

Obviously the poorly shaped ammos weight plays a big role in this but things get really complicated because its, imo, proportional to the speed being slung and how poorly its shaped.

Heavier ammo thats poorly shaped shouldnt plane as much in the air because its naturally harder to sling very fast and it should be more resistant to change in direction anyways. So it sort of helps itself in that regard. So we get all sorts of variables up to and including the slingers own strength.

Then you have the problem of ammo rolling out of the sling when said ammo being poorly shaped may take a fraction of a second longer than another stone. Such differences make a big difference in point of impact but are almost impossible to adjust for during the throw. Nor could one even know in what way they would have to adjust until after the stone shows us after which it would be too late. Was it you, or perhaps JudoP who defined it as a "zero feedback loop"? Its a perfect way to look at it imo.  Let me add my own term- "Shrodingers Slingstone".   

Mostly though from what ive seen and maybe this is just me, but if a stone is relatively heavy and relative round its going to be , wait for it(!), relatively accurate. 

And really, relatively accurate regardless of whether im using a paracord sling with a wide grip or a stiff balearic sling. On the other hand if its poorly shaped Im not going to be accurate with it in comparison, regardless of sling type.

These are my thoughts from my own experiences. Your mileage may vary.

One of my favorite Einstein quotes is "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."

Ive always found that to be true.

So J, real simply man...

In one sentence tell us what benefit low oscillations of a sling gives you that cant be gotten from a wider grip and paracord. Keep it real short.

Its not "stones flying out of the pouch at random times"  because I know for a fact that isnt a problem with paracord and heavy stones. Just one sentence man.


There seems to be an issue of trying to get simple answers from you and instead getting  a very long answer that tells us less and makes things more confusing than one sentence.

And please dont say "low oscillations are good because they oscillate less" there also seems to be a good amount of circular reasoning and assuming the conclusion throughout these posts that combined with winding explanations and no proof lead no where.

Let's set aside the "stones leave the pouch more randomly with paracord etc. Thats simply not the case. So what is it?

Lastly if it seems like im being harsh here its only because I tend to be one of the more eager to discuss theories guys on here. And even I am exhausted at this point trying to get you to make a simple assertion and then make a simple video proving said assertion. If im at that point I can only imagine others have all but given up on these conversations.

This should be the easiest thing in the world and should actually be rather fun. Make your conclusion, I can then go out and test it myself and see if your results match mine. This is the heart of the scientific method and the only thing that can really prove youre right or wrong.

Explain to me how a wide grip is equally as secure as a tight grip. I do not believe.
You all seem tired of my explanations, so I want yours. Please explain how very floppy small diameter cords
provide as much pouch angle control as thicker and denser cords. I've explained why this is not the case.
Explain me why you think otherwise, explain me why so many slingers use stiffer and heavier cords
if it doesn't matter at all, and why they should all be using the simpler, lighter and thinner cords.

AncientCraftwork wrote on May 18^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

People believed that illness was caused by imbalances in the humors of the body for thousands of years. Just because people think or act a certain way or use a certain sling doesn't mean much. Evidence. It's all that matters.

I wonder why some slings have a stiffer cradle than the stiffness utilized in the cords. I can't seem to figure out the use of this and I cannot think of extra benefits. Currently I believe that for the sake of simplification, the same stiffness is best used throughout the length of the whole sling, according my theories regarding oscillations, pouch and spin angles and accuracy. Why? It is very simple. Lets assume that the stiffness of a sling and the projectile weight/size/shape determines the amount of oscillation, which is best kept at a minimum, but not fully eliminated, like I explained in my theories.

If we could define to stiffness a figure, than a sling, which is a cord, is only as stiff as its weakest 'link'.  Thus having a much stiffer pouch than the cords does not make sense for me. The stiffer pouch needs heavier rocks
to overcome resistance, and this stiffer pouch has an ideal weight of projectile for opening without too much delay or interference. But because the cords are not as stiff as the pouch, the cords have a different ideal projectile weight to combat too much oscillations. Thus, the ideal weight of projectile for the pouch is now no longer the same ideal projectile for the stiffness of the cords. Assuming that the ideal projectile weight to minimize oscillations is also the ideal for opening the sling without too much delay. Thus, a sling with a pouch much stiffer than the cords, either has a stone that is too heavy for the cords to minimize oscillation, or  a stone too light for the pouch to open without too much delay.

Of course, these kind of ''imperfections'' are theoretical, and habit, practice and what one is used to is probably more important.
It's just more theory to add on to my theory, but it's something to think about. I guess what it boils down to
is that according to my theories, that ideally a sling has an equally stiff factor throughout.

I know this almost is starting to sound like I am trolling, but I am not, these thoughts just entered my brain the last 5 minutes as I was slinging and comparing a sling that has a stiffer pouch than the cords, and with a sling that has an equal stiffness throughout its length. The latter felt ''better'' to me and I started wondering why.