Talking about slinging styles is difficult. We on the forum have our own language and shortcuts when describing slinging styles, but a lot of these names aren't historically accurate (Apache style has basically nothing to do with the Apache Native Americans, there's no evidence really that the Byzantines used Byzantine style) or are too broad to really describe what someone is doing precisely.

One major problem is that the names often describe the wind-up but don't necessarily indicate angle of release which is arguably much more important to replicating a throw for accuracy. A good example of this is comparing how I usually do Fig. 8 and how C_A does Fig. 8. We do essentially the same wind up but my angle of release is close to vertical where I've video of C_A releasing almost horizontally. Despite this really major difference, we call both of them Fig. 8.

So, I've developed a way of describing a sling throw that covers all of these aspects to more fully describe how a style works without having to write out paragraphs of text full of vague terminology.

Why is this useful? Well, I'm not for a second suggesting we stop using the names we already have; they're very ingrained anyway. What this tool is really for is for more in depth discussions where being precise about movements might matter more. It's a much more a scientific approach which isn't necessary for all discussions but has it's place.

SerKraus kind of predicted this beforehand (that boy's psychic I swear  ), but this needs to be thought of as similiar to the Latin names used to classify living things. We don't go around calling cats Felis catus, we just call them cats. Nevertheless, having that system in place can help to tease out differences and properly understand those differences and what they mean. All that being said, here it is:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KT2nPmKV11DjXamhuDphPw4IPJx65Hfh/view


Now, please, good people of the forum, tear this apart. Find every problem with it. Torture this tool until it falls apart. I really want this to be a useful, clear tool that can be used so it needs to be much closer to bomb proof than it currently is. A really great thing to see would be some video of people's styles with the interpretation using the tool. We can get right into comparing people's styles. Enjoy!

Hirtius wrote on Apr 24^th, 2021 at 11:50pm:


I'm copying my idea from the other thread, in case anyone is interested. Though probably not.

Sorry Kick, I think that's the problem with yours. I think that people will find mine to be too much, and yours is especially complex. It's easy enough to understand after a few minutes, the problem is that it's too complex for casual conversation. What this will do is it will create a bunch of new "styles" since every different variable could lead to a different category. I think for casual use we would still be falling back to the same vague names.

However, this is far from useless. What this is good for is very precise descriptions, and I could see this being of great use in an academic paper or if someone is trying to describe a weird style. If we ever had a book on slinging, this and its descriptions of the styles could be quite useful. In other words, I think it's a great system for when video or pictures aren't available or sufficient.

Ya it sort of needs to happen. We are moving past people just randomly riffing about slinging. The general understanding of the slinging community here has increased considerably at least since I’ve been here. What the community in general takes for granted was at one time sort of odd and not totally accepted. This is a good step in that direction.

Really well done Kick!

That would be great. It needs to be consistent between people so that's a good idea.

SerKraus wrote on Apr 26^th, 2021 at 11:34am:


For what it's worth, my system has binomial/trinomial names. Trinomial names are needed to describe the wind up and release, but the release angles and positions are described with binomials.

The current naming conventions largely are defined by description of the windup that is vague on the release. It has the best understood names, though.
Kick's convention is very specific on both the windup and release, with the donwnside of the names being potentially complicated.
My system is specific on the release position and some of the angle, though vague on the windup if it is not trinomial.

Unfortunately, slinging is so complex and individual that simple names will leave out a lot of information.

as far as fig 8 release goes - I vary it according to circumstances.

Pretty all the throws and releses at hodd hill are vertical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVJHS8yIWT0
There is a video where I'm halfway dwon a steep slope and that is more side on - cos I had  a hill behind me

Tha slo mo of me at fauld crater is more horizontal as i had bushes behind me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAQannIFnMI
Actually more vertical than i thought. Almost a byzantine finish to a fig 8 windup - we'll gloss over that one lol

So any pedantic classification system would need to include windup and release.

As there are only three release types - that should make it pretty easy to design a look up table.

making it an interactive html file that automatically took you to a short video clip of the style in question - slightly harder lol

Although I could probably do that with my web creation software.

I'm also - probably - from what I've seen. The only slinger who can demonstrate every single style of throw and release point.

Most members seem to fixate on one particular style (sidearm balearic being currently in vogue) and use nothing else. 
I tend to see a different style and master it. I regularly use greek, byzantine, fig 8 variants, sidearm and helicopter - mainly when demeonstarting to newbies how NOT to start lol. As well as underhand - one of the best for tennis balls for dogs.
And also zero shoulder and elbow impact.

But yeah - it's doable.

Curious Aardvark wrote on May 2^nd, 2021 at 12:15pm:

I cannot picture that.  A description or video possible?