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Q Descens Offline Kī i ka Māka Posts: 118 Gender:	What would this throw technique be considered? Apr 24^th, 2021 at 3:07am https://youtu.be/MQhQKA8H2O4 (Fast-forward to 5:15 for specific reference, but the prior content is pretty hilarious.) Would this be considered Apache technique, a specific type of overhand style or a hybrid?
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David Morningstar Slinging.org Moderator Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 3489 UK	Re: What would this throw technique be considered? Reply #1 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 3:41am Its called 'why havent you made any attempt to look at even one video of actual slingers before making your own video'
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Reply #2 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 3:55am

David Morningstar wrote on Apr 24^th, 2021 at 3:41am:

Its called 'why havent you made any attempt to look at even one video of actual slingers before making your own video'

That's amazing. This is the first time I've ever heard of the WHYMAATLAEOVOASBMYOV technique. Is it a traditional style or more if a recent development by the guy in the video?

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Reply #3 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 4:54am

I've seen so many videos where the slinger slings like this. Even one reenactor did it that way. You can see how wierd it is to spin that way and the super low velocities and therefore low range. Even as a beginner technique this is just poopy, simple underhand is the way to go to start slinging in my opinion.

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Mersa Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Druid Posts: 2643 Australia Gender:	Re: What would this throw technique be considered? Reply #4 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 5:00am I would call it Apache but with a drop or push at the start . Names are confusing, and always a fun debate
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TOMBELAINE Funditor Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 839 france Gender:	Re: What would this throw technique be considered? Reply #6 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 6:51am If the Apache style is that of the old indian, then it's no. His body is from the front, he does not hide his arms and the stone is in front? I think he looks like me when I first launched.
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Reply #7 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 7:30am

Oh dear. Yeah I guess Overhand is the best way of describing it. I'm actually working on a system for describing slinging styles more... scientifically let's say. The main problem I see with a lot of the names we have is that they are used to describe one part of a two part process. There is the wind-up and the release angle. Often times a style is named for the wind-up despite the release angle being more important. Anyway, I won't go into it yet as it's a work in progress but this is precisely the situation where a full breakdown of a style is more explanatory than a pretty abstract name like Apache.

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Reply #8 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 11:03am

That is a legit overhand throw. As in just overhand. And yes its absolute garbage in both accuracy and power. At least he wasnt trying to pass himself off as some kind of expert. You see so many so called experts that dont know their ass from a hole in the wall trying to give their opinion on something they know nothing about. Ill give him props for not doing that at least.

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Reply #9 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 2:00pm

Definitely not a good technique, but ah well.
I remember challenging a popular youtuber on their false "figure-eight" technique...They didn't like that.
Complete novices drawing conclusions about the sling based on their "experience" is both irritating and amusing.
Bit like this: https://exarc.net/issue-2019-4/at/iron-age-shepherd-sling
"The experiment consisted of making and using the sling, testing its range and accuracy to reveal its strengths and limitations" (An impossible goal in the hands of a novice)
Also have no idea where he got this from: "Clearly the sling was capable for more than doubling the distance of a projectile thrown by hand, since the longest distance recorded with the sling is 118 m (Pringle, 2017)"

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Reply #10 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 2:06pm

Ive grown to despise these faux survival experts and historical weapons experts.

The typical guy sitting in the woods in camo or buckskin with a big beard passing himself off as the return of Daniel Boone in the flesh is hilarious and as you said, irritating. These people have a very, very shallow yet somewhat broad knowledge. They have enough knowledge to make a quick youtube video to get that paycheck and usually half of what they know is wrong.

118 m is a good example. How long does it take to google "farthest sling throw"?

I just did it. Took 5 seconds. Oh well. Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 5:35pm

You gotta admit, although this guy has no idea what he's doing, he's actually doing better than I'd expect with that.

I'm with you, Morphy. I'm sure it breaks your heart to even see the "survival bows", which sometimes shoot arrows so poorly that they would be better thrown. They're not just annoying. I think the actual issue with these survival channels is that they give the wrong impression, that all you have to do is learn to make it.

I get annoyed with academics on the capabilities with the sling, but it's sometimes hard to blame them. I think one study ( https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030544030900034X ; , hopefully the article is accessible) tried to measure distances based off of native Andean slingers, which on the surface might sound like a good idea. However, they might not be able to tell the quality of the slingers and if the slinging culture is still capable. The longest distance by an adult male was 130 meters. In fact, the guy who did that was one of two adult males (Out of 7) who broke the 100 meter mark, the other guy who broke it had a high range of 101.54 meters. A couple guys didn't even break 80 meters. Now, I'm no Luis, but I'm pretty sure myself and many people on this forum could probably go toe to toe (and probably exceed) the best guy they found.

This David Jackson from EXARC is clearly taking an academic perspective on it, and he's more of the hands-on academic that forgets to dedicate several years of practice into their methods and materials. I almost feel bad for the guy, because he probably doesn't understand how poorly he's doing. It should be pointed out that his results would not be too strange if they were included among the Andean slingers, which might go to show the state that slinging in the Andes has declined to.

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Reply #12 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 7:53pm

Its all of that and more Hirtius. Its also this over the top "manly bravado" they try to put out combined with this sort of survival Clint Eastwood nonesense that is just nausea inducing.

These are by and large actors nothing more. Stick them in a real survival situation and the vast, vast majority die from hunger, thirst, hypo/hyperthermia or gut bugs. These are fakers pretending to know so they can get 10s of millions of eyeballs of weekend warrior corporate types looking at them wishing they could live that life when they themselves dont even live that life.

Primitive Technology is pretty legit. And thats why he has a mega channel. He might die as well but he would die in style.

Now I cant really blame the academics because they are trying but what I do blame them for is not listening to people here who are arguably the most experienced slingers they are ever likely to meet. But at least they arent playing part time caveman for money.

Ive only come to this feeling relatively recently. I used to LOVE those channels until I began to see them for what they were. A LARPer cash grab. Nothing else.

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Reply #13 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 9:33pm

Kick wrote on Apr 24^th, 2021 at 7:30am:

Oh dear. Yeah I guess Overhand is the best way of describing it. I'm actually working on a system for describing slinging styles more... scientifically let's say. The main problem I see with a lot of the names we have is that they are used to describe one part of a two part process. There is the wind-up and the release angle. Often times a style is named for the wind-up despite the release angle being more important. Anyway, I won't go into it yet as it's a work in progress but this is precisely the situation where a full breakdown of a style is more explanatory than a pretty abstract name like Apache.

Maybe we need binomial nomenclatures but for slinging styles!

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Reply #14 - Apr 24^th, 2021 at 10:13pm

It’s very hard to define by names , just look at variations in baseball pitches and cricket bowlers, there’s slight differences in everyone’s bodies and sling styles look different when a slight change in release angle. Then there’s pre loading tension on cords and pre rotation, the list is too big . Names can’t do it all justice and we can’t agree most the time anyway.

I remember being new to the forum and thinking I had a unique style, truth is it’s all a fancy way to throw a rock.

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