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Reply #15 - Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:38pm

The one thing I’ve seen on “chi” that I cannot explain was an episode of “Ripley’s Believe it or Not”. Season 1, episode 13. Yes, yes...I know. Ripleys. Not exactly MIT. But they had a FLIR camera and frankly I cannot understand how it was done if it was a trick. Wish I could find a high quality clip of that episode showing it.

I posted this here years and years ago and never got a solid explanation and this was with Bikewer, probably the most skeptical person this forum has ever seen trying to explain it away. But the explanations did not explain what was being seen so what I did was just say “huh, weird” and put it on the back burner of my mind so to speak until someone else found something.

There is also a video with John Chang I believe his name was who seemed to be able to create electrical impulses at will. You can find it on YouTube. Can’t really explain that although I chalk up the rest of his supposed “powers” to “I don’t care, just show me how the electrical stuff is done.” But you can see him do it on scientists and there is no doubt it’s happening.

As for using “chi” or whatever to shoot fireballs or whatever some of the practitioners claim, I don’t buy it and I don’t think it had anything to do with that kind of stuff initially when it was being “learned” by people years ago.

In the end, it’s like asking the difference between ignorance and indifference. I don’t know and I don’t care.

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Reply #16 - Mar 15^th, 2021 at 10:55pm

Morphy wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:38pm:

As for using “chi” or whatever to shoot fireballs or whatever some of the practitioners claim, I don’t buy it and I don’t think it had anything to do with that kind of stuff initially when it was being “learned” by people years ago.

In the end, it’s like asking the difference between ignorance and indifference. I don’t know and I don’t care.

What are you talking about? Fireballs are totally real. I've seen them!

Over 9,000 times!

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Sorry, but it's a pet peeve of mine: 'Yea' isn't the word you want. It's 'yeah'. 'Yea' is an anachronistic word you see in the King James bible. "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of Spellcheck, I shall fear no misspellings for thou art with me. Thy dictionary and thy thesaurus, they comfort me.

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Reply #17 - Mar 16^th, 2021 at 1:32am

Oxnate wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 10:55pm:

Morphy wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:38pm:

As for using “chi” or whatever to shoot fireballs or whatever some of the practitioners claim, I don’t buy it and I don’t think it had anything to do with that kind of stuff initially when it was being “learned” by people years ago.

In the end, it’s like asking the difference between ignorance and indifference. I don’t know and I don’t care.

What are you talking about? Fireballs are totally real. I've seen them!

Over 9,000 times!

I’m going to laugh if we all go to Mallorca and you start screaming “Hadouken!” At the Balearic target.

Now damnit, how do you post GIFS here Ox! I knew at one time. I’m drawing a blank.

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Oxnate Senior Member Webmaster Offline Crus de agnus Dei con quilon menthae. Posts: 331 Minnesota Gender:	Re: Delicious Failure Reply #18 - Mar 16^th, 2021 at 9:50am How to post gifs: 1. Make sure you're pronouncing it Gif, not Jif. It won't work otherwise. 2. Find someone else's gif and copy the URL. 3. Use the Insert Image button at the top. (img)Url.com(/img) I replaced the brackets so you can see.
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Morphy Slinging.org Moderator Offline Checkmate Posts: 8102	Re: Delicious Failure Reply #19 - Mar 16^th, 2021 at 9:57am I swear I tried that but I was pronouncing it bif which may have been the problem [url]<iframe src="https://gifer.com/embed/8I4H" width=480 height=414.951 frameBorder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="https://gifer.com">via GIFER</a></p>[/url]
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Oxnate Senior Member Webmaster Offline Crus de agnus Dei con quilon menthae. Posts: 331 Minnesota Gender:	Re: Delicious Failure Reply #20 - Mar 16^th, 2021 at 6:46pm Here, as a mod, you should be able to look at the code I typed.
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Reply #21 - Mar 18^th, 2021 at 8:35am

Rat Man wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 4:05pm:

Morphy wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 2:12pm:

Slyngorm wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 11:04am:

James Randi exposes James Hydrick
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Morphy wrote on Mar 13^th, 2021 at 10:08am:

. I took it for a little while. It’s complete nonsense IMO. No offense to those who do it. It’s beautiful just not effective.

Most martial arts are made to be performed in accordance with specific rules. So they are so to say not fake, they are just a system that only works within said system and not in a street fight. Even MMA contains some rules that it in real life would be better without, like eye pricking, throat punching, spine kicking, etc.
Outside MMA there still are martial arts that are more usable in real life than other.
Quick tip: any striking martial art that doesn't allow punches or kicks to the head is no good for street fighting.
Most grappling arts are also at least a bit out in the cold since rolling around on the ground while surrounded by your opponent's friends can't be healthy. But I am NOT an expert in this.

Oxnate wrote on Mar 13^th, 2021 at 4:58pm:

Where the "chi master" says the guy wasn't affected because he had his tongue or toes in the right/wrong places.

An episode of Is it Real on NatGeo examined this sport and one guy they interviewed came up with this EXACT excuse. Say what you want but at least they have systematized their chi.

My big 5:

BJJ
Wrestling
Boxing
Muay Thai
Judo.

If I could go back in time I would probably focus on BJJ, Muay Thai and Judo. But you cant go wrong with wrestling or boxing. Both are deadly when used correctly.

I would also spend a lot of time use Qi Gong to see if the whole chi thing has anything to it. I dont think a person can really truly judge unless they have experience with something.

Your big five is sort of similar to what I learned; wrestling, boxing, Tae Kwon Do, Street Fighting Techniques, Kung Fu, Judo, and Hapkido. To be successful in the real world you have to have a ground game. Pure strikers just don't make it in MMA. Wrestling is a great base to work from.
In the 70s when I got almost all of my formal training BJJ just wasn't a thing. It really didn't become popular until the advent of MMA. Consequently, it's the one hole in my training that I regret. Sometimes I entertain the notion of learning it now. I certainly have the time. If my knees were in better shape then maybe... But at the age of 66 doing so would almost assuredly be beyond what this aging carcass could endure.

And then there is the very best and most realistic martial art: carrying a knife.

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Reply #22 - Mar 18^th, 2021 at 9:29am

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lol - we'll agree to disagree.

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electrical fields - particularly the weak ones that control our bodies can be easily manipulated.

Our nervous system is 100% electrical. Our brain is also. All the chemical reactions that comprise a working human being, all eventually come down to the exchange of electrically charged particles.
The atoms that make up our bodies are all held together with electrical fields.

It's pretty easy (relatively speaking) to learn how to control your own, and from there to control or effect others.

If you can control electric fields then you should be able to measure this with a voltmeter. Also the brain and nervous system have chemical components to them, it's not a full electrical system.

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There is only so far scepticiam and western science will take you, once you've done and experienced things it doesn't explain.

And to be fair there is so much that our current science base eithr gnore or just plain gets wrong - that the first thing any competent scinetist needs to admit is that we do not know everything.
As soon as you think you do know everything - you cease to be a scientist and become a fanatic.

Well I'd argue that 'scientists' aren't generally asserting they know anything for sure, let alone everything, it's a key principle of science that everything is up for revision. However, with that there is a responsibility to reject claims that are unfounded and unevidenced. In other words you can reject theories based on evidence but you can't prove a theory correct with evidence.

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Reply #24 - Mar 18^th, 2021 at 10:27am

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And then there is the very best and most realistic martial art: carrying a knife.

I'd say yes and no. It's extremely difficult to defend against a knife which is something often not acknowledged in TMA and not drilled or attempted in more sport based MA. However, carrying a knife is an extreme escalation of any conflict into literal life and death territory, and is not appropriate for many physical confrontations. There are also serious legal penalties in many places for even suspicious carrying of a knife.

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Kick past-moderator Offline Posts: 4451 Finland	Re: Delicious Failure Reply #25 - Mar 18^th, 2021 at 10:39am Also, involving a knife increases the chances of someone getting cut very significantly. Even if you are the person who brings the knife into that situation, your chance of getting cut also goes up. Better to not have a knife involved at all frankly.
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Reply #27 - Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 11:15pm

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And then there is the very best and most realistic martial art: carrying a knife.

Seriously..who does this? If someone is carrying a knife, I’d say it’s not only suspicious... it’s downright irresponsible.

I mean, come on! You should know better than to bring a knife to a knife fight. You should have your primary fixed blade, a tactical folder as backup, a neck knife, a boot knife, at least four karambits hidden about your person, and maybe a spare razor blade in your wallet... you know, just in case.

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Reply #29 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 8:30am

Kick wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 5:44am:

Long sword in the back scabbard too.

I feel like that might be a bit excessive kick.

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