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Reply #30 - Apr 25th, 2021 at 1:39am
 
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Reply #31 - May 1st, 2021 at 4:44am
 
Updated a few sections, particularly with regards to etymology and terminology.

One major issue with attempting to provide exact meanings for slinging terms and definitions is that the Hawaiian language can be poetic in nature, with words and terms often having what we refer to as kaona (deeper, hidden meaning). Because of this, I dedicated a lot of time dissecting each slinging term/word I came across to reveal the possible kaona that might not have been mentioned in the listed definition.
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Reply #32 - Apr 20th, 2025 at 1:20am
 
Been a while friends. Apologies for the lack of updates; often get immersed in learning and forget to take/share notes on my findings. Iʻve added some minor updates in some sections of the Maʻa thread for you guys to enjoy. Hopefully going forwards, I can sort through all my notes and provide better sources for you to reference.

Next follow-up will be an expansion on the term maʻālaiʻoa/maʻaalaiʻoā, for which I believe my hypothesis was correct. Iʻm currently learning more about traditional battle formations and tactics to support this, so stay tuned as I nail it down and figure out how to draw for diagrams LOL.
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Reply #33 - Apr 21st, 2025 at 3:10am
 
Archaic Arms wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 1:44pm:


Forgot to mention, AA.

A colleague of mine needed to obtain ʻolonā for a documentary they filmed last year on traditional Hawaiian Ulua fishing.

If you go through the same source, ʻolonā fibers can be yours for the cheap price of $3000/oz  Grin

In all seriousness, hearing this from my colleague was quite sad. ʻOlonā cultivation and production was commonplace throughout much of our history prior to the mid and later 1800s. Now it is essentially impossible to obtain; even for most Hawaiians that arenʻt Hawaiian culture artesans or practitioners that can find/obtain ʻolonā plants to make the fiber themselves or afford the ridiculous prices.
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Re: Ma'a Pōhaku (Hawaiian Sling)
Reply #34 - Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:59am
 
Hi Q,
A quick search for olona brings up many results such as,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchardia_latifolia.
Its a nettle and if you want it, it grows like a weed !

Good luck.
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Reply #35 - Apr 21st, 2025 at 8:31am
 
xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:59am:
Hi Q,
A quick search for olona brings up many results such as,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchardia_latifolia.
Its a nettle and if you want it, it grows like a weed !

Good luck.
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Although 'olonā is related to nettle, it's significantly harder to grow in both it's natural range or traditional plantations as they require very specific conditions that are difficult to replicate in modern times.

I encouraged a botanist colleague to attempt to propagate it as he frequently propagates, cultivates and distributes many of our native species to the community. He expressed interest but said it might be too difficult due to the specialized equipment needed, as well as the fact that most individuals would not be able to cultivate them properly without artificially creating a suitable climate.
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Reply #36 - Apr 22nd, 2025 at 3:55am
 
Olonā is easily cultivated (83% germination rate),[7] and sprouts readily from cuttings, but does not transplant well due to its fragile roots.[8]

Sounds like time to go for a walk and give it a go !

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Reply #37 - Apr 23rd, 2025 at 6:04am
 
xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2025 at 3:55am:
Olonā is easily cultivated (83% germination rate),[7] and sprouts readily from cuttings, but does not transplant well due to its fragile roots.[8]

Sounds like time to go for a walk and give it a go !

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Iʻve spoken to individuals who have significantly more experience with our native plants than I; my botanist colleague and another trained botanist who operates a nursery business specifically for native plants. In both cases, neither observed or was successful in cultivating them outside of their native range , so it would be essentially impossible for me to do so without creating the specialized structure that would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to fabricate and maintain where Iʻm located.

There is a community in my town that has 60 acres of forested land higher up in the mountains with lots of moisture. If I can convince my colleague to take up the propagation aspect, I could possibly convince them to start planting out ʻolonā. Given the current price point from the one source I mentioned, it could be a significant source of revenue for the members of the community while also increasing availability for artisans and cultural practitioners at hopefully a significantly less price point.

The major problem is that very few people still utilize understory plantation cultivation techniques used by Hawaiians of old, so it would be a learning curb for everyone involved.
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Reply #38 - Apr 26th, 2025 at 8:16am
 
May have finally cracked the code on the substance seen on the sling found in the British Museum (Oc,HAW.175). See update for more info.
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