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xud9a - call me zud 👍 Funditor Offline Ringing Slocks ! Posts: 573 Nottinghamshire, England Gender:	Brick bullets ? Jan 31^st, 2021 at 7:16am I have realised that pretty much any question asked has been answered..... Twice ! However, I have yet to find any reference to sling bullets made by a brick maker. Has anyone researched standardised sling ammo made by a brick maker ?
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David Morningstar Slinging.org Moderator Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 3419 UK	Re: Brick bullets ? Reply #1 - Jan 31^st, 2021 at 7:51am Fired clay ammo has been made by some of us, it is very hard and survives impacts well
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Reply #2 - Jan 31^st, 2021 at 9:05am

Just don’t take the brick maker’s straw away unless you want your crops to be devoured by a plague of locusts Wink

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Reply #3 - Jan 31^st, 2021 at 11:13am

Just lateral thinking....... If Romans used bricks, ...... We know they did, and if Romans wanted industrial (army size) quantities of glandes it follows you would give the contract to people skilled in the use of those materials. Today, there are brick makers who make "specials" eg bricks made to order in special sizes or shapes for a particular building. You see where I'm going or please tell me I'm mad !........

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Morphy Slinging.org Moderator Offline Checkmate Posts: 8102	Re: Brick bullets ? Reply #4 - Jan 31^st, 2021 at 9:34pm Did Romans also use smaller lead glandes? Sling history in not my forte. Seems crazy to use big bricks when the logistics of carrying that much heavy ammo for hundreds or thousands of slingers to use in battle. Not doubting you, just curious about their reasoning. And no you’re not crazy. Right or wrong it makes sense.
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xud9a - call me zud 👍 Funditor Offline Ringing Slocks ! Posts: 573 Nottinghamshire, England Gender:	Re: Brick bullets ? Reply #5 - Feb 1^st, 2021 at 6:09am Ok, if I'm not crazy I will stick with my usual odd, and return to the theme of standardised ammo for sport or data collection. I know there are as many opinions as slingers, but in general is there any demand for standard ammo in a range of sizes ?
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Reply #6 - Feb 1^st, 2021 at 7:47am

Everyone likes different weights of ammo. In the Balearics, where there has been plenty of time for such a standard to emerge if it were natural or necessary, everyone provides their own ammo and it is all different. All the stones are marked and when they collect at the end of a round, they all swap ammo around until everyone has their own stones back.

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Jaegoor Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 2811 Gender:	Re: Brick bullets ? Reply #7 - Feb 1^st, 2021 at 8:19am David oder sie stehlen dir deine steine wenn sie besser sind. 😂 Ich selbst habe schon sehr viel Munition hergestellt. Auch aus Ton. Oder beton. Ich schieße sehr viel. Und es lohnt sich fur mich nicht. Der aufwand ist zu groß.
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Reply #8 - Feb 1^st, 2021 at 8:49am

Good point, well made Jaegoor.
DM, I don't think I could muster an argument, rox will always be the default ammo.
However, there seems to be a lot of thread time spent on physics, maths and data collection as well as, in the past, sport slinging.
I have yet to find a thread on eliminating variables, hence my question on standardised ammo.
Cheers.

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Jaegoor Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 2811 Gender:	Re: Brick bullets ? Reply #9 - Feb 1^st, 2021 at 10:43am Standardized ammunition is good. Most of the Balearic Islands don't want it. Paying money for something that breaks.
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Reply #10 - Feb 1^st, 2021 at 11:08am

Jaegoor wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 8:19am:

David oder sie stehlen dir deine steine wenn sie besser sind. 😂
Ich selbst habe schon sehr viel Munition hergestellt. Auch aus Ton. Oder beton. Ich schieße sehr viel. Und es lohnt sich fur mich nicht. Der aufwand ist zu groß.

Du musst sie ja nicht zerdeppern, ich arbeite gerade an einer Zielscheibe mit Loch als Diane.

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Morphy Slinging.org Moderator Offline Checkmate Posts: 8102	Re: Brick bullets ? Reply #11 - Feb 1^st, 2021 at 11:19am xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 8:49am: I have yet to find a thread on eliminating variables, hence my question on standardised ammo. Cheers. Your wish is my command. https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1527869492/12#12
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Reply #12 - Feb 1^st, 2021 at 12:15pm

Morphy wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 11:19am:

xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2021 at 8:49am:

I have yet to find a thread on eliminating variables, hence my question on standardised ammo. Cheers.

Your wish is my command.

https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1527869492/12#12

Xud, I've started working on a mega-post that will eventually make its way over to the maths section. Instead of trying to exactly model the physics of the sling, I plan to take an approach that has never been done on this forum before (to my knowledge)... I will start with a stupid simple model, analyze it until the model fails to explain what we see in the real world. Then I will introduce a new model that is slightly more complex to specifically address the failures of the previous model. Rinse and repeat...

The goal is not to arrive at an exact mathematical model of the sling but instead to build an intuition about slinging and how theory can help improve your understanding of it even when the theory is less than perfect.

Stay tuned. I might get around to posting this monster treatise some time in the next decade Wink

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Reply #13 - Feb 1^st, 2021 at 5:21pm

How happy I am to be allowed to play with the boys with the big brains. Hubert, often the simplest ideas are the best Wink

Morphy, thanks for the link, an eye opener and I note in it another reference to slinging as an olympic sport !!
NooC, taking the message out of big reports is what I was born for ... bring it on Grin

I was taught; the essence of the scientific method is replicability.

Would it therefore follow that giving 100 slingers 10 standardised slings (in different types and lengths) with standardised ammo (brick glandes, or otherwise) and asking them to sling at targets (balearic or otherwise) at set distances and recording the results (painstakingly) would produce a huge amount of useful data which could produce unexpected results, an evidence base for the olympic bid Grin

and anomalies which could be relevant to producing working hypotheses ?

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xud9a - call me zud 👍 Funditor Offline Ringing Slocks ! Posts: 573 Nottinghamshire, England Gender:	Re: Brick bullets ? Reply #14 - Feb 1^st, 2021 at 5:24pm AND, yes I know I am building uncosted castles in the clouds but, for me, the answers could be a starting point to a proposal. Cheers.
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