It may be confusing to others and come across as contradictionary. It does not me to me. I do not like to waste time and wait year before I share my findings when I am experimenting for a few days straight on. I always try to explain what is different.
Maybe I should just use ''I'' instead of ''you'' or ''we''. The only thing I am explaining is that ''The trick to a good sling'' still stands; ie, stiffer, denser, possibly thicker cords help to prevent pouch angle misalignment during a multiple-rotations sling throw ie Balearic style or Helicopter. Now in the case with Greek style, the pouch turns on its axis only once,  due to the lack of multiple rotations. This allows thinner, longer and less stiff cords without sacrificing pouch angle control all that much. And I always try to say you can still use multiple rotations on the floppiest sling you want,  you could even pinch both cords in a hand and swing that sling 1000 rpm and let go and say that's the way to do it if you want.  But I know there are some people here that do appreciate this talk because they are also out there slinging and some of it this might resonate

AncientCraftwork wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2021 at 2:18pm:


I appreciate all viewpoints.  Though especially ones that have done it themselves.  So I definitely want to see anything that's been proven experimentally.  Even more so if you film yourself and post it to youtube.

AncientCraftwork wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2021 at 2:18pm:


That response is exactly the opposite of what I said. I appreciate all your posts but I think the way you are phrasing things could be better.

Thats as simple as I can make it. You don't need to take off just because someone has an opposing viewpoint...

Rat Man wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2021 at 2:33pm:


I second that.

Morphy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2021 at 2:37pm:


I also second that.  Many of us love a lively debate, and if we disagree with you, that does not mean we are rejecting you just because we aren't convinced of your ideas. 

When you say "this is how it is" over and over again while constantly changing what "it" is, there's not a lot of room for disagreement or discussion, so I find myself just tuning you out sometimes J.

If you aren't interested in a group conversation and all you want to do is share your strong viewpoints without having them tested or questioned by others, then I guess that's ok.  If everyone on the forum did that though, I would get really bored really fast.  I prefer to use debate to find the areas where I am wrong but blind to my wrongness so I can make corrections to my understanding. 

I also like to learn from other people, because life's too short to test everything out for yourself.  It's much more efficient to learn from other people when you can. 

What I really like about you Jauke is that you question conventions and assumptions that everyone else takes for granted.  Just please don't replace those stagnant traditions with new conventions that might be just as wrong.  Instead, let's all work together to get closer to the truth.   That's my dream for slinging.org

...and of course a little lively debate can also be quite entertaining too

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2021 at 3:28pm:


We think a like on a lot of things. Yes you are right. So here's my go at it, keeping in mind I'm not an engineer. Floppy = cord which undergoes lateral deformation or torsion in a cord which is greater than or equal to 50% of other cords. Like an LD50 but without so much death involved. 

I will agree my presentation has issues. Luckily I am not a native english Speaker and can use this as an excuse. There is a lot of misunderstanding due to the way internet talks work. Fear not because after what  I shared in this topic, I honestly can't think of any other area of slings to to my interest that I can still explore or talk about. It feels I have reached what there is to know and I am close to the settling down, at least for 95% percent of it, which is sufficient enough. My testing is not with mathematics or machines, it is by looking at history, my eye sight, and my intuition, and that is enough for me. Lets see where I am in a few months time. If I still hold to these convictions, for a few damn months even, than its evident enough. I don't see my viewpoints as contradictiory or conflicting to my past viewpoints, but as evolutionary.

Why not both?!