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New Sling Innovations
Dec 14th, 2020 at 3:40am
 
Hello all!

I return once again, a wiser, and more accomplished maker of slings!

My latest idea is that my finger really hurts while slinging for extended sessions with my usual slipknot finger loop, therefore, I have made a loop out of leather!

It's much better.

I suspect my accuracy will be better too as I feel that I've been pulling my throws a lot unconsciously due to finger-related pain.
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Reply #1 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 4:03am
 
I love a cinched loop, I can’t handle floppy holes
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Reply #2 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 5:02am
 
I essentially measured the leather to my finger so it's quite a good fit! and has none of the blood stopping or pain of a slipknot!
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Reply #3 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 5:22am
 
Was daran ist neu und was daran ist eine inovation?
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Reply #4 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 5:57am
 
Looking good my man! I love leather finger loops and and a good tab. So long as they are made right at least to me they really seem to help.
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Reply #5 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 6:05am
 
Jaegoor wrote on Dec 14th, 2020 at 5:22am:
Was daran ist neu und was daran ist eine inovation?


(I google translated your question, it's German I hope)

The leather finger loop is what's different, up until now I've been using a standard paracord slipknot like you might find on a yo-yo, this was causing me a lot of pain during extended slinging sessions so I tried to fix it by making a wider, fitted but not cinching leather loop and based on initial testing is very positive, I can bearly feel the strain even with heavy rocks now!

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Reply #6 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 6:06am
 
Hi ricky,

You're right that a thin retention loop will not distribute the weight properly. A thick fingerloop is desireable in my experience.
You can also try out two finger loops for even better weight distribution. I place one on my ring finger and on on my middle finger.

Now that you have figured this out on yourself, look into improving the release side of the sling.
Ask yourself this question, what is required for a clean release of a sling?

A) the projectile must release from the pouch without being knocked off course due to large interferences in the pouch or projectile, but still with the required spin for a good flight.
B) the release cord must release cleanly from the hand so that your 'mental' release is inline with the release of the sling.

The answer to A lies in a good projectile shape and a good sling pouch design.

The answer to B lies in a lot of personal experimentation. For me, a knotless tapered release cord does the trick. While a big knot can give a good hold on to a cord in my experience it can interfere with a clean release from the hand. Thats why I swapped to knotless release cords, which is pinched by the thumb and index and than held on to by the rest of the hand. This of course requires that your release cord is grippy by its own nature, which is naturally provided for by course vegetal fibres. For smooth 550 cord I still require a small overhand knot to be pinched-- however, for thicker paracords beyond 4mm I can drop the knots and just go with smooth release cords. The release from the hand feels insanely clean after swapping away from big knots, while the full fist grip still provides excellent hold on to the release cord.
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Reply #7 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 6:07am
 
Morphy wrote on Dec 14th, 2020 at 5:57am:
Looking good my man! I love leather finger loops and and a good tab. So long as they are made right at least to me they really seem to help.



I just went down to the water to test it! it's like a dream! even heavy rocks don't cause any strain on my finger now, I can also hit my targets a lot more often as a result!
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Reply #8 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 6:25am
 
Following up to on my previous post I just want to show you this picture of how Luis Pons grabs his sling.
That is what I mean by a knotless release cord that is grapped by the whole hand , which gives very good grip but also immediate release of the release cord once pressure on the release cord is let go of.

On the contrary, once the pressure on a thick release knot is dropped, the knot can still ''hook unto'' your fingers even if only for split miliseconds, causing inaccuracy.
Making the knot smaller or getting rid of it all together helps in my experience.
I believe this is also why the Balaerics call such tails/release cords as a benefit for precision.
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Reply #9 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 6:47am
 
By the way, I have an idea for another ''innovation''. Not truly an innovation ,just a possible way to increase a desirable quality. What if we would take a limp corded sling, that's not too thick, and add tight whipping over the complete length of the retention cord? That would make the retention cord really stiff and make the pouch angle very responsive to the wrist. How would such a stiff retention cord feel in a sling. I gotta try it
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Reply #10 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 7:38am
 
The Balearic slings have attained an almost mythical quality. I'm skeptical Of the superiority but they are truly excellent slings. Luis' sling is the one I need more than any other for my collection.
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Reply #11 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 7:58am
 
AncientCraftwork wrote on Dec 14th, 2020 at 6:47am:
By the way, I have an idea for another ''innovation''. Not truly an innovation ,just a possible way to increase a desirable quality. What if we would take a limp corded sling, that's not too thick, and add tight whipping over the complete length of the retention cord? That would make the retention cord really stiff and make the pouch angle very responsive to the wrist. How would such a stiff retention cord feel in a sling. I gotta try it


An hour later and I did it , so far I am ecstatic about the way it performs
https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1172017416/6240#6244
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Reply #12 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 8:42am
 
Morphy wrote on Dec 14th, 2020 at 7:38am:
The Balearic slings have attained an almost mythical quality. I'm skeptical Of the superiority but they are truly excellent slings. Luis' sling is the one I need more than any other for my collection.


Nothing mystical about it Morphy. We have determined these certain qualities that make a good sling. Lateral stability, so that the pouch angle can be controlled by the wrist, and so that the sling is quick to reload and doesn't tangle all up on you after a shot. A stiff split pouch, so that a wide range of ammunition can be shot and adaptability to different shapes and sizes. A grippy release but smooth release cord, so that you can use the full hand and no knots are required for a clean release out of the hand. A repairable release cord, because that is the part that wears out the quickest. The Balearic sling has many of these qualities build right in. Natural fibre construction, that synches you to the past and makes you independent from the system.

However, it comes at a price, the sling becomes heavy and it loses some speed in the aerodynamic departments.

If you can combine the qualities of a Balearic sling in a thinner, more efficent set up you hit the gold mine of slings.
I think I just did....


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Reply #13 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 8:49am
 
AncientCraftwork wrote on Dec 14th, 2020 at 6:06am:
You're right that a thin retention loop will not distribute the weight properly. A thick fingerloop is desireable in my experience.
You can also try out two finger loops for even better weight distribution. I place one on my ring finger and on on my middle finger.

Now that you have figured this out on yourself, look into improving the release side of the sling.
Ask yourself this question, what is required for a clean release of a sling?

A) the projectile must release from the pouch without being knocked off course due to large interferences in the pouch or projectile, but still with the required spin for a good flight.
B) the release cord must release cleanly from the hand so that your 'mental' release is inline with the release of the sling.

The answer to A lies in a good projectile shape and a good sling pouch design.

The answer to B lies in a lot of personal experimentation. For me, a knotless tapered release cord does the trick. While a big knot can give a good hold on to a cord in my experience it can interfere with a clean release from the hand. Thats why I swapped to knotless release cords, which is pinched by the thumb and index and than held on to by the rest of the hand. This of course requires that your release cord is grippy by its own nature, which is naturally provided for by course vegetal fibres. For smooth 550 cord I still require a small overhand knot to be pinched-- however, for thicker paracords beyond 4mm I can drop the knots and just go with smooth release cords. The release from the hand feels insanely clean after swapping away from big knots, while the full fist grip still provides excellent hold on to the release cord.


There's so much to digest here! I will have to study it all slowly! Thanks!  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #14 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 8:51am
 
AncientCraftwork wrote on Dec 14th, 2020 at 7:58am:
An hour later and I did it , so far I am ecstatic about the way it performs



My dude this is wicked! Nice work
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