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Reply #15 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 7:01am
 
The notch is where the end of the stick rests.
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Reply #16 - Dec 19th, 2020 at 3:20pm
 
Sarosh. I have done a few experiments with both my atlatl and my archery sets.

I can give you the quick conclusion right now, I am sticking with fletchings.

I've concluded it is more work for me to make a proper fletchless arrow or atlatl dart with the perfect FOC than to simply stick two feathers on the end.  With the experience I gained from this, I think fletchings are in fact a simpler solution for getting straight flights. I think fletchless arrows can be done, but is it really worth all the effort and experimentation required ?
Fletchings seem to correct a lot of imperfections in the arrow, while without fletchings an arrow seems much more sensitive to imperfections.

It's true that fletchings are sensitive to wear and tear, but it's not like we treat arrows like sling stones. Arrows are precision instruments that we only shoot when we are quite sure of a good shot. That a fletching or stone tip breaks does not matter at all if it results in a deer kill, or a duck.

Properly done fletchings can be quite a chore but primitive fletchings are very quick to install. 2 feather halves, slightly spiralled around the shaft, tightened with plant fibers in the front and back and some pitch glue, it's a quick procedure.
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Reply #17 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 4:30pm
 
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On the whipbow? Doesn't it also use some string?
I wonder if it was ever used anywhere. I guess it could be the precursor to the bow.
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Reply #18 - Dec 25th, 2020 at 5:55am
 
Aboriginal spears are very variable and thrown with a spearthrower . The most common name is a woomera . The spears quite often are composite . Heavy at the front and weigh 200 to 450 grams. And have worked quite well for 40 000 years. The papua new guineans shoot long arrows up to six feet  out of their long bows unfletched as many other people have done. Small unstable arrows need fletching. The polynesians used a similar technique of a small unfletched dart with a notch and string to fling the darts from outside the walls of a besieged fort on a high trajectory.
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Reply #19 - Dec 25th, 2020 at 6:28am
 
Slyngorm wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 4:30pm:
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On the whipbow? Doesn't it also use some string?
I wonder if it was ever used anywhere. I guess it could be the precursor to the bow.

Not as far as I know. You shave down a springy piece of wood and have a raised section at the end that fits into the notch.
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Reply #20 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 11:32am
 

Taiwanese aboriginal archers use fletchless arrows, see at 2 min 30 sec

https://youtu.be/288souhPMY0
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Reply #21 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 2:33pm
 
Some South American tribes did too.
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Reply #22 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 8:22pm
 
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Reply #23 - Jan 11th, 2021 at 5:47am
 
Papuans use fletchless and nockless arrows and a flat bow string
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLSEDrk5Q4

their ''string'' is a flat strip of bamboo  Huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwwrdV-WovY
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Reply #24 - Jan 15th, 2021 at 7:27am
 
These are very intriguing, and never heard of them. Great video Sarosh!
I see potential in making this technology a bit more beefy. Imagine them constructed from something much heavier like cast iron, and propelled by some torsion device?
Arrow fletchings cause a lot of drag, so these would be perfect for long range.
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Reply #25 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 2:23am
 
Thanks for the replies

It seems a lot of people have used fletchless arrows, makes me wonder why in Europe fletchings were so prevalent. with fletchless arrows you would get faster production(?) at a lower price and less maintenance.
Then I watched this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ViVC7MS_Cg which would mean that with fletchings you can use a wide range of spine and get close to target. Fletchings would make sense if archers share arrows or production of shafts is standardized, I wonder to what degree that happened in medieval England.
Still I would like to see a bare shaft fly straight from a warbow.
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Reply #26 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 10:35am
 
Sarosh wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 2:23am:
Thanks for the replies

It seems a lot of people have used fletchless arrows, makes me wonder why in Europe fletchings were so prevalent. with fletchless arrows you would get faster production(?) at a lower price and less maintenance.
Then I watched this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ViVC7MS_Cg which would mean that with fletchings you can use a wide range of spine and get close to target. Fletchings would make sense if archers share arrows or production of shafts is standardized, I wonder to what degree that happened in medieval England.
Still I would like to see a bare shaft fly straight from a warbow.


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