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Sarosh Funditor Offline Posts: 788	Throwing arrows / Yorkshire arrows Dec 11^th, 2020 at 4:59am https://youtu.be/t9GRZW-LAso any experience with them?
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slingbadger Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Don't Badger a Badger Posts: 3162 Akron NY Gender:	Re: Throwing arrows / Yorkshire arrows Reply #1 - Dec 11^th, 2020 at 6:25am The American Boy's handy book by Daniel Carter Beard shows a variation called the Swiss Arrow. Instead of sling like tool, the person used a thin springy piece of wood. You bend the wood back and release it sidearm. Kids could get away with a lot more then.
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Reply #3 - Dec 11^th, 2020 at 7:16am

slingbadger wrote on Dec 11^th, 2020 at 6:25am:

shows a variation called the Swiss Arrow

can you post a pic? from what I know swiss arrows have fletchings.

J wrote on Dec 11^th, 2020 at 6:26am:

So it is an arrow with certain properties that create a lot of lift?

an arrow that doesn't need fletchings as much as other arrows, this means lower drag for similar lift or better lift.

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Reply #4 - Dec 11^th, 2020 at 7:21am

slingbadger wrote on Dec 11^th, 2020 at 6:25am:

The American Boy's handy book by Daniel Carter Beard shows a variation called the Swiss Arrow. Instead of sling like tool, the person used a thin springy piece of wood. You bend the wood back and release it sidearm. Kids could get away with a lot more then.

Well damn. Lol I've been meaning to try and make a mini atatl that bends more in the atlatl than the dart. Looks like someone beat me to it. I didn't have any luck with my initial tries. Good to hear the idea will potentially work.

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Reply #6 - Dec 11^th, 2020 at 3:31pm

Kick wrote on Dec 11^th, 2020 at 3:01pm:

I would be really interested to see how they fly with heads and what sort of impact they can have.

all string throws in this video were less than the full length of the field. I'd say max range was ~75m. maybe without wind and with more practice it could be 150m I cant see me getting it anywhere near the 250yds mark that an "ordinary" thrower would achieve.

edit: not much momentum for an impact. A sharp point would stick it to the ground . a metal point would move the CM forward changing the flight characteristics

I would like to see some fletchless archery though a metal point would help on that.

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Reply #7 - Dec 11^th, 2020 at 5:27pm

slingbadger wrote on Dec 11^th, 2020 at 6:25am:

The American Boy's handy book by Daniel Carter Beard shows a variation called the Swiss Arrow. Instead of sling like tool, the person used a thin springy piece of wood. You bend the wood back and release it sidearm. Kids could get away with a lot more then.

This one?
It's a whip bow.

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Sarosh Funditor Offline Posts: 788	Re: Throwing arrows / Yorkshire arrows Reply #8 - Dec 12^th, 2020 at 8:09am the onager of bows
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Reply #9 - Dec 13^th, 2020 at 6:33am

You make me wonder about fletchless arrows for archery.
Australian abboriginals use fletchess atlatl darts. Their darts tend to be longer than other atlatl darts, and very flexible.

I can imagine early primitive cultures that used a bow with fletchless arrows, simpl ybecause they didn't know better, as a result their arrows would have to be somewhat different than convential archery arrows, to cope with this fact.

Makes me wonder, how would a very thin, fletchless and overly long archery archery arrow fly, one with a very flexible spine.

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Reply #10 - Dec 13^th, 2020 at 9:18am

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I can make trad bows and enjoyed it (stopped for the last 2 years) my main problem with trad.archery is a place to practice it and arrows. Arrows with vanes dont go well with trad bows and feathers add a complexity I dont like. So if I ever find a place welcome towards trad. archery this will be my first approach to the arrow problem. without fletchings well spined arrows will be more crucial for accuracy

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Reply #12 - Dec 14^th, 2020 at 5:44am

Yes Mersa, thanks for noticing that. Aboriginal woomera darts also look to be heavier and thicker at the front. They must have figured it out. I will experiment with you on this subject Sarosh seeing that lately I have more access to achery than slinging. A front heavy fletchless arrow will be one of my next projects.

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Reply #13 - Dec 14^th, 2020 at 6:35am

J wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 5:44am:

I will experiment with you on this subject Sarosh seeing that lately I have more access to achery than slinging. A front heavy fletchless arrow will be one of my next projects.

Nice I'd love to see that. It would take me forever to do this in the current situation.

Mersa wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:48am:

AAE tradvanes

interesting. I dont know about the price and availability, but doesnt really matter if there is no archery range for trad bows around Sad

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Slyngorm wrote on Dec 11^th, 2020 at 5:27pm:

slingbadger wrote on Dec 11^th, 2020 at 6:25am:

The American Boy's handy book by Daniel Carter Beard shows a variation called the Swiss Arrow. Instead of sling like tool, the person used a thin springy piece of wood. You bend the wood back and release it sidearm. Kids could get away with a lot more then.

This one?
It's a whip bow.

Yes

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