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Reply #180 - Feb 5th, 2021 at 3:40pm
 
As an outsider looking in, it really seems like American society is split on what is actually reality. There are a significant number of people that seem to truly believe that Trump is the second coming of Christ. This would be the same person that has been married multiple times, paid off a pornstar and is a known scam artist. Who needs "Love thy neighbour" when you can have "Build that wall!" right? What happened with that wall by the way? I guess, to be fair, he did only have 4 years to get it built...

But anyway, back to the point, there are currently members of Congress that blamed Jewish space lasers for forest fires. How is a democracy supposed to work when reality can't be agreed upon? I have no idea. Good luck you guys. I really think you Yanks will need it.
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Reply #181 - Feb 5th, 2021 at 4:10pm
 
I am not a Trump lover, i am a fan.i am not saying he is perfect, damm.  but all i ever see, you are attacking him. If you are an outsider please look at the whole picture.  I have repeated myself mutiple times here.  Our founding fathers did NOT want career politicans.  Joe Biden has been in for 47years, and has done nothing. He HAS undiagnosed Demintia, which is surprising that you didnt pick up on it since you work in health care.  Look at the crime bill he signed back in 1994. It was racist, and put more minorities in jail. Please read up on USA history. Republicans were not the racist.  Southern Democrats OWNED slaves. Abe Lincoln was a Republican who freed the slaves.  Biden's wife WAS married to another man and cheated on him. Biden likes to sniff women. I can write tons of stuff about him as well. Its been proven that since he came into office, that most of his bills he signed or pushing through to Congress. Do not have many or any Republicans signing on. He LIED that he wanted to 'cross the aisle'. Its ridiculous.


We need term limits on ALL politicians.

Also we NEED politicians to have a set minimum wage pay. Not starting out at $170,000. Once elected.

They also DONT need million $ houses. They NEED to be put into a apartment complex.

Once Democrats,  and the left stop taking, or asking for handouts we can move on.
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Reply #182 - Feb 5th, 2021 at 8:31pm
 
We do disagree on reality but it is not that simple as "trumptards" and "objective reality".

We're split 50-50, smart people and respectable positions on both sides. If, from your reading in the media and news, you can't articulate a sane conservative/rightwing argument, that's a problem. Probably the key one that Trump leveraged to gain the support of the right wing as a whole. Half of our political spectrum does not feel represented in the "credible media" because they are not. I read BBC and NPR, and I can give you what the talking points and fallback points on the left will be for a specific issue from that coverage. I cannot from that same coverage tell you what the other half of America will argue.

This failing of the media in their responsibility to take the best arguments on both sides and show them to their readers/watchers, I would argue, is directly responsible for Trump. Because they are unfair they can be dismissed by half of Americans. Not just the dumb ones they quote. Smart people who aren't dumb enough to talk to hostile people with complete editing power.

Then it gets worse as legitimacy itself was assaulted, yes by Trump but for 4 years before that. This was not the first time angry protestors were in secure areas of the capitol. It was not the first time explosives were prepped (and used) by a mob of angry political activists. From the coverage you would be forgiven for thinking it was and that just makes the issue all the worse.

Legitimacy is in tatters. And if we cannot agree on reality, we cannot agree on a process, and then to top it off both sides say feelings trump process and facts? Well then we leave demagoguery for force. And the young fools on both sides who think it will be a cakewalk actively yell for it. With no idea what they are summoning.
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Reply #183 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 2:57am
 
I'm not american but seen from abroad, you are completely crazy. Sorry to say that.
With globalization, international relations have evolved significantly. Often with conptempt for the citizens. But stop believing that you are the center of the world. But stop delirious between you.
Open your eyes.
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Reply #184 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 5:52am
 
TOMBELAINE wrote on Feb 6th, 2021 at 2:57am:
I'm not american but seen from abroad, you are completely crazy. Sorry to say that.
With globalization, international relations have evolved significantly. Often with conptempt for the citizens. But stop believing that you are the center of the world. But stop delirious between you.
Open your eyes.
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I understand why you have that perception but you must understand many of us dont believe that. We are not happy with the foreign wars of aggression, the constant mettling in other countries affairs and the attitude of superiority that our government often exhibits. The thing I truly love about this country is the "idea" of unalienable rights. We havent lived up to that as well as I would like but the idea is great. 

Please dont assume that every American looks down on other countries like we are better. Some of us feel helpless to stop our government from acting the way it does.
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Reply #185 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 6:43am
 
When the government takes better care of illegal immigrants then its own citizens. Thats a problem. Refer back to my previous post. USA would be a better country if the Constitution wasnt getting twisted for a Democrats own sick pleasure. On a different note, France has had its fair share of problems within itself.

Having pride for Ones country diesnt make you crazy. Its patriotic. I joined the military because i love this country. Some of our laws, other countries have taken and made into thier own in different vacancies
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Reply #186 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 8:16am
 
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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Reply #187 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 8:48am
 
vetryan15 wrote on Feb 6th, 2021 at 6:43am:
When the government takes better care of illegal immigrants then its own citizens. Thats a problem. Refer back to my previous post. USA would be a better country if the Constitution wasnt getting twisted for a Democrats own sick pleasure. On a different note, France has had its fair share of problems within itself.

Having pride for Ones country diesnt make you crazy. Its patriotic. I joined the military because i love this country. Some of our laws, other countries have taken and made into thier own in different vacancies


Vet I absolutely love my country and constitution. I just dont care for the government. I shouldve been more clear.
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Reply #188 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 9:05am
 
Morphy. I am the same way. That wasnt towards you. I was agreeing with you. I absolutely love this country,  but the government has got to change. My issue is that people who dont know what they are talking about, in regards to politics of another country, who do not live here. Which this thread as you started it, was in regards to forum members home country. All i seen is everyone talking about the US. Just cause we dont like the government,  doesnt make us bad. Thats why we have the constitution,  to avoid stuff like the current environment going right now. As BIDEN is a POS, 47 years in politics. His home state  Delaware  has and still is a shithole. He cant even fix it. He has already been caught lying since day 1. Thats the pther problem,  due to elites who run it in the shadows.




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Reply #189 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 10:44am
 
Morphy wrote on Feb 6th, 2021 at 8:48am:
I just dont care for the government.

can you live without a government?
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Reply #190 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 11:36am
 
Sarosh wrote on Feb 6th, 2021 at 10:44am:
Morphy wrote on Feb 6th, 2021 at 8:48am:
I just dont care for the government.

can you live without a government?


No but I can live without a corrupt one.
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Reply #191 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 12:50pm
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07w9K2XR3f0
Although I disagree with a lot of his humorous opinions. I realized that this one is very true "this is the best we can do folks".

EU is as split as the US. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130006
we have eu citizens who want to handle immigration with bullets and walls so I'm saddened to say that the chimps we have in our governments are there because the majority wants them.

Morphy wrote on Feb 6th, 2021 at 11:36am:
No but I can live without a corrupt one.

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Reply #192 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 2:48pm
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DytBlcScGNk

I find this video quite interesting from Lindybeige, it's titled 'why do we go to war', however there is a lot of interesting stuff at the end about what goes into making a country, state, tribe stick together.

Anyway. For me I have issues with both sides of the spectrum. I'm nominally on the left, but I despise some elements of the left. As with the right.
However, I gotta say, on the way out Trump crossed a red line. He spurred on an assault on the democratic process to remove him. I always hated the guy but I didn't accept he was as dangerous as many people were saying. I was wrong in this, he's authoritarian and I don't believe the situation in the US has been as perilous as this handover for a long time.

I see very few people who are supportive of Trump acknowledging this, many choose to believe the election was stolen instead and thus all this anti democratic action is completely justified, yet lawsuit after lawsuit fails miserably, they were always going to because simply- it wasn't stolen. It was obvious to anybody who has had any exposure to Trump at all that he would lie and claim the election was stolen had he lost. There is no timeline where Trump lost and graciously accepted defeat, none. So why believe so uncritically that he is telling the truth? Why is it so hard to believe that this election was just as fair as the last one, the one before that, and before that etc?

I also see this equivocating about Biden/all democrats whatever. Politicians are not all evil and completely corrupt (certainly not all one side and the other side are angels). Yes, there are surely many self serving people in politics (as with many other areas), maybe they even achieve good things despite that- isn't that the purpose of institutions and structures of law etc? To get good outcomes with imperfect people?
I can't understand people hitting Biden etc as a liar and more or less giving a free pass to Trump. If you care about lying at all, Trump should be your least favourite person in the world. Politicians lie, but Trump lies perhaps more than any other person in public life. He lies so much that any concept of accountability for what he says has completely gone. At least when regular politicians lie there is a penalty if they are caught out.

Well, that's my rant over.
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Reply #193 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 3:11pm
 
ALL POLITICIANS LIE.  The left is/are a bunch of hypocrites.  I said it. If i get banned.  Oh well.

I am not saying Trump is perfect. Far from it. Biden has been getting free passes. Due to his undiagnosed DEMENTIA.  Even his boss OBAMA said dont underestimate Joe's ability to f@#$ up. He wanted unity, where is it? Hasnt done anything. He has written the most executive orders in the history of the US. Trump is/ was the lesser of two evils.

It was PROVEN he didnt inciite the riots. It was gonna happen anyway regardless.
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Reply #194 - Feb 6th, 2021 at 3:40pm
 
My issue with saying Trump's behavior is past some sort of bright line is that we already had political mobs "storming the capitol" and that wasn't condemned. We had mobs rioting for months, encouraged by official statements from left wing politicians, and that was "mostly peaceful". And we had 4 years of "resist" and impeachment efforts, illegal state actions (no California can't enter international organizations), and spurious lawsuits from left wing Attorney Generals that even RBG said were legally wrong.

Is it wrong/bad/harmful to refuse to concede? Sure. But it's part of a much bigger spiral that has been ongoing. Riots hours from my sleeping children over what was a legally justified shooting of a criminal I file as worse. The facts didn't matter only the feelings of the mob.
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