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War slinging over heads
Nov 15th, 2020 at 5:46am
 
I was reading a thread which degenerated into bickering about how the sling was used in war. There was some Assyrians in a picture in close ranks with their arms behind their heads.

To me that looks a bit like how I would throw and with all due respect to what others have said, the only reasonable way of doing it in close ranks.

Pretty much the same way I'd throw a rock if I had to clear (heavily armed and hyped up) people in front of me with 100% surety of doing so. Easy to volley, easy to control a group.
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Reply #1 - Nov 15th, 2020 at 6:24am
 
Kilisi wrote on Nov 15th, 2020 at 5:46am:
the only reasonable way of doing it in close ranks.

I think this is the important thing when talking about how a sling would be used in war. How the units are arranged and used are the determining factor to what sort of style would be used. Slings have been used in war for thousands of years by almost every culture to some extent so how they were utilized I'm sure varied hugely. If they were used in close ranks and more static, then an overhand throw would be best. If the unit is more flexible, mobile and not as close then any style would be good but Balearic/sidearm I can see being widely used. I think the second style of them being more mobile units is probably, for the most part how they were used. Slingers can afford to be quite mobile and used for skirmishing and I think that would be how they would be best used.
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Reply #2 - Nov 15th, 2020 at 6:28am
 
Kick wrote on Nov 15th, 2020 at 6:24am:
How the units are arranged and used are the determining factor to what sort of style would be used.

Absolutely, my point is that the picture could and maybe should be taken at face value. If you need close ranks and formal training then you need to compromise.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'overhand', I would just throw it like throwing a rock, no rotation.
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Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2020 at 8:51am
 
We have a lot of names for styles but really, if you break it down by release, there are three styles. Overhand, underhand and then in between/sidearm. Fig.8 is overhand as is helicopter and Greek (and some others). Underhand is pretty much the only underhanded throw. Balearic is sidearm. It all comes down to the way the pouch releases.
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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2020 at 8:57am
 
Kick wrote on Nov 15th, 2020 at 8:51am:
if you break it down by release

Ok, I guess that makes sense for static styles. My normal crappy style encompasses all of those releases and any angle in between...

Then my other crappy style is much the same as throwing a rock and just goes on a vertical plane.

I really should learn to do it properly, but I'm old and lazy Wink
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Reply #5 - Nov 15th, 2020 at 9:01am
 
If it works then it is the proper way Cheesy The thing I found most interesting at the competition in Mallorca was that EVERYONE had a different style. Basically no-one was slinging the same way. Broadly there were similarities but everyone has their own bodies and also there own particular slings. In the end, if the stone hits the target (or goes really far) then you aren't doing it wrong.
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Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2020 at 9:10am
 
Kick wrote on Nov 15th, 2020 at 9:01am:
If it works then it is the proper way

Yeah it's ok for me, I got the kids learning proper styles though.

I looked at the rules and my style wouldn't even qualify for the balearic competitions. So I have the kids learning the helo because they fancy themselves as World champs
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Reply #7 - Dec 12th, 2020 at 2:54pm
 
Kilisi wrote on Nov 15th, 2020 at 9:10am:
I looked at the rules and my style wouldn't even qualify for the balearic competitions.


I think local Balearic competitions had/have a rule that you have to spin the sling 3 times before releasing, but they didn't keep that rule with the international competition. Isn't that right, Kick? (on the last bit?)
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Reply #8 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 3:28am
 
Yeah it's more relaxed for the foreigners at least. Really it's supposed to be natural materials for slings as well but again for the foreigners that's more relaxed.
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Reply #9 - Dec 16th, 2020 at 6:55am
 
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I was reading a thread which degenerated into bickering

don't they all ? whistle


As far as the balearic rules go - they are kind of dumb and rarely applied. And pep admits they are pretty outdated.
The rules state: 2 rotations OVERHEAD.

The vast majority of balearic slingers don't do any overhead rotations.
It's primarily sidearm.

There are even a couple clubs that use figure 8 and pepe from malaga (as opposed to the myriad other 'pepe's) doesn't use any rotations.
And I would REALLY like to see someone try and disqualify him lol

I've been hassled a few times, but that's par for the course, as far as I'm concerned. lol
And I do try out different styles during competition, They REALLY hate byzantine lol

If it's going to happen - it will generally happen to me Smiley

Basically any style with an overhead release is good for slinging over troops.
The windup is largely irrelevant, it's the release that counts.
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Reply #10 - Dec 16th, 2020 at 5:50pm
 
Curious Aardvark wrote on Dec 16th, 2020 at 6:55am:
Basically any style with an overhead release is good for slinging over troops.
The windup is largely irrelevant, it's the release that counts.

I think it depends how close you want to pack your troops. Any windup takes room and makes it harder to coordinate a mass throw. My throw takes minimal room and you could easily coordinate a group of men to throw simultaneously with minimal training.
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Reply #11 - Dec 17th, 2020 at 12:16am
 
We tend to obsess over form and function of slingers on ancient battlefields, but I suspect that the majority of conflicts were not dominated by disciplined ranks like you see in video games. Even if they start that way, the order and discipline wouldn’t hold for long. I imagine it was probably a more violent version of something like this:

https://twitter.com/RichieMcGinniss/status/1337913085336702980?s=20
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Reply #12 - Dec 17th, 2020 at 2:20am
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 17th, 2020 at 12:16am:
We tend to obsess over form and function of slingers on ancient battlefields, but I suspect that the majority of conflicts were not dominated by disciplined ranks like you see in video games. Even if they start that way, the order and discipline wouldn’t hold for long. I imagine it was probably a more violent version of something like this:

No offence, but our village girls have more violent battles than that. Wink
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Reply #13 - Dec 17th, 2020 at 8:49am
 
I believe that. I’m a little embarrassed that neither side knows how to use a stick properly, but for their sake that’s probably a good thing.

My main point is that chaos would be the order of the day on any real battlefield after the first couple of minutes. If slingers are still slinging at all, they would be doing whatever came naturally and whatever they could do quickly in whatever space they had.
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Reply #14 - Dec 17th, 2020 at 9:40am
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 17th, 2020 at 8:49am:
I believe that. I’m a little embarrassed that neither side knows how to use a stick properly, but for their sake that’s probably a good thing.

My main point is that chaos would be the order of the day on any real battlefield after the first couple of minutes. If slingers are still slinging at all, they would be doing whatever came naturally and whatever they could do quickly in whatever space they had.

Depends whose army I guess.

Napoleonic wars had whole armies of men who would work in unison and under orders throughout a battle. I see no reason why that couldn't apply to slinger corps.

The only reason riot police have an advantage over rioters is teamwork and holding formation. Basically any army who can control their soldiers is going to be the winning side, all else being equal.
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