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Reply #30 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 5:27pm

Slyngorm wrote on Nov 20^th, 2020 at 10:44am:

I will add throwing knives to a sub category "Throwing sticks" under "No ammunition" together with air foil throwing sticks and non-air foil throwing sticks.

Then there's the teutonic throwing axes, ninja stars and a bunch of others. And the caltrops might be classed as a throwing weapon in some scenarios? None of them as outright nasty as those African weapons though.

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Reply #31 - Nov 21^st, 2020 at 9:09pm

I'll disagree about those throwing knives. They'll take a lot of skill to use. Otherwise, you just miss. The guy usually won't just stand there and let you throw pointy stuff at them, they move and dodge. Grin

If it's a regular knife, you probably don't want to throw it if you can avoid it. You have to be a set distance to get it to rotate the required number of times to hit point first. And once you throw it, now you don't have a knife. Cry

Look at some of Timpa's videos. He can weaponize almost anything he puts his hands on. They should give you some ideas.

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Reply #32 - Nov 22^nd, 2020 at 4:01am

Bill Skinner wrote on Nov 21^st, 2020 at 9:09pm:

They'll take a lot of skill to use. Otherwise, you just miss.

No they're short range, not trying to snipe people. Assuming you know how to throw, there is no special skill beyond that. I've often been surprised that many people aren't actually proficient at throwing by hand, but it's a normal third world and primitive skill.

They threw them during a charge and carried 4 or 5 behind their shields. Any primitive weapon can be dodged. With European type throwing knives, you throw them, thats what they're for, and you have multiple. Same with throwing clubs, ninja stars, throwing axes and all the rest.

You don't use them for melee unless you have nothing else.

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Slyngorm Funditor Offline Slingit... Posts: 508	Re: Grading ranged weapons survivalist' charts Reply #33 - Nov 22^nd, 2020 at 1:00pm Have throwing knifes of any sort ever been used in hunting?
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Slyngorm Funditor Offline Slingit... Posts: 508	Re: Grading ranged weapons survivalist' charts Reply #34 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 5:18pm Here are the first gradings. Sorry for the long wait. I will make more I promise. I'm still working on the graphical aspects and you might find some spelling and logical errors somewhere in there.
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Reply #35 - Jan 2^nd, 2021 at 11:06am

I now rate the bow as the king of all primitive ranged weapons/hunting tools. The accuracy you can achieve with a bow with only minimal training is astounding compared to the sling. Yes, it's not as easy to carry as a sling, but you can use it in much tighter quarters, and be a much more stealthy shot. Seeing those arrows shot from a bow you made yourself, fly through the woods and embed themselves into trees 30 meters further, right next to each other where you actually aimed, is a magical experience

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Reply #36 - Jan 2^nd, 2021 at 4:38pm

“Sling: Consists of a pouch capable of holding a blunt object...“

You are obviously forgetting about razor glandes Grin

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Reply #37 - Jan 6^th, 2021 at 7:14am

Slyngorm wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 2:17pm:

Ok, so manufacturing firearms and ammunition is definitely possible but still EXTREMELY cumbersome.

Not as difficult as it used to be...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_GJ8La_VXA

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Reply #38 - Jan 6^th, 2021 at 10:35am

Ok, these are the last two charts for now. You have mentioned some other weapons but I don't know enough about them for it to make sense making a chart of, right now.

Weapons that I might rate sometime.

non-aerodynamic throwing stick
throwing knife
shotgun sling
speargun
pellet bow
other types of crossbow
airgun

AncientCraftwork wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2021 at 11:06am:

I now rate the bow as the king of all primitive ranged weapons/hunting tools. The accuracy you can achieve with a bow with only minimal training is astounding compared to the sling. Yes, it's not as easy to carry as a sling, but you can use it in much tighter quarters, and be a much more stealthy shot. Seeing those arrows shot from a bow you made yourself, fly through the woods and embed themselves into trees 30 meters further, right next to each other where you actually aimed, is a magical experience

I am forced to agree with this....
Some months ago I realized that I had a small bow lying around that I bought at a flee market over decade prior. I picked it up and tried shooting some wooden grill spears. I clumsily put a spear to the string and drew it back and the second I let it go and it perfectly flew through the air and hit right on the target ahead of me that I barely had aimed at I realized just how superior it was to the sling in ease of use.

I still want to use the sling over a bow simply because of ammunition and ease of transport....

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Reply #39 - Jan 6^th, 2021 at 11:12am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSckdiTOvUo&t=2m06s

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Slyngorm Funditor Offline Slingit... Posts: 508	Re: Grading ranged weapons survivalist' charts Reply #41 - Jan 6^th, 2021 at 3:50pm TOMBELAINE wrote on Jan 6^th, 2021 at 12:26pm: Throwing sticks are pretty, "real" I don't know what you mean. I did actually make a rating of a non-aerodynamic one but it was so lacklustre that I choose not to post it. Until now.
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Reply #42 - Jan 7^th, 2021 at 2:50am

First, I appreciate the job you do.
The problem with throwing sticks that it's a totally missing weapon in our societies. If you are never launched a boomerang, you don't know how a throwing sticks works.
On your photo, you have shown some australian sticks which are difficult to adjust for a straight flight.
The less aerodynamic a stick is, and the easier it is to throw.
A link in french : Luc Bordes' thesis about the throwing sticks in the world. A passionate guy and a researcher.

http://revedeboomerang.free.fr/memoire-LucBordes.pdf

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Slyngorm Funditor Offline Slingit... Posts: 508	Re: Grading ranged weapons survivalist' charts Reply #43 - Jan 7^th, 2021 at 12:25pm TOMBELAINE wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 2:50am: First, I appreciate the job you do. Thanks! I appreciate yours and everyone's input. I didn't mean to come off as rude. I just didn't understand what you meant with your comment, or this one actually. Sorry.
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Re: Grading ranged weapons survivalist' charts
Reply #44 - Jan 7^th, 2021 at 2:25pm

No problem for me ; my english isn't very good. So sorry.
For a survival guide, a very simple throwing stick is more convenient. It flies straight. And for hunting, 20 or 30 meters are enough.
One who knows how to make a boomerang in a forest can make a more difficult throwing stick. Just for fun.
If I'm not clear, say me. Because I do what I can with my english.

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