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TOMBELAINE Funditor Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 791 france Gender:	Re: Corsican sling Reply #15 - Sep 2^nd, 2021 at 8:20am Sorry, Hirtius. You are right. On my video, my grip isn't clear. But this grip works and it looks like the drawing. This makes two consistent indices. I think that is worth considering.
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Hirtius Senior Member Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 272 Gender:	Re: Corsican sling Reply #16 - Sep 3^rd, 2021 at 11:22am This is why I say it looks like it goes through your hand.
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Hirtius Senior Member Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 272 Gender:	Re: Corsican sling Reply #17 - Sep 3^rd, 2021 at 11:23am It differs from the grip you posted. But even if you’re doing the grip you posted, what advantage does holding it with the pinkie give?
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Reply #18 - Sep 4^th, 2021 at 2:27am

Hi Hirtius,
There are two possibilities : "on the hand" and "in the hand".
If there is "on the hand", the drawing is bad because the thumb should be in the axis of the belt. Physiologically, the wrist is bend, what isn't confortable.
That's why I think it's rather "in the hand". The text, in French and in Corsican, says : "held in a tight hand".

If I tested with the little finger, it's because I thought releasing in good conditions in this case was not possible. Too many risks of "entanglement". It isn't the case.

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Reply #19 - Sep 4^th, 2021 at 7:29pm

You’re arguing something a bit silly. It’s not the style, which I’ve not ever tried before, it’s applying it to this case. The picture is bad, but clearly depicts “on the hand”. You don’t see the release cord weaving in and out of the fingers because it likely doesn’t. It probably just goes around the hand as usual. The “held in a tight hand” probably just means it’s a tight grip.

As for the actual style of “in the hand”, I can’t make a true judgement because I’ve never seen it. However, it seems that adding so many points of contact will make error more likely. I think it would need to be better tested. But in general, what advantage would this give over the basic grip? It might be more secure, but if it throws off the release it won’t be as useful. If it works, that would be really cool. But right now, I can’t see it working so well.

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TOMBELAINE Funditor Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 791 france Gender:	Re: Corsican sling Reply #20 - Sep 5^th, 2021 at 3:24am Hirtius, Hirtius wrote on Sep 4^th, 2021 at 7:29pm: I’ve not ever tried before, Hirtius wrote on Sep 4^th, 2021 at 7:29pm: It probably just goes around the hand as usual From the beginning, I have been testing. And you ? See well the drawing and count the number of knuckles before saying : "as usual".
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TOMBELAINE Funditor Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 791 france Gender:	Re: Corsican sling Reply #21 - Sep 5^th, 2021 at 11:10am See well the drawing and these photos. My idea and one month of testing are not silly. Sorry for the conventions of the "experts" !
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Re: Corsican sling
Reply #22 - Sep 5^th, 2021 at 1:52pm

I have to agree with Hirtius. I think it's likely the image is showing the release cord going behind the hand (on the hand). If there was a more complex intertwining of the release cord in the fingers, it would be important and I think the image would have been drawn to show it.

I tried some throws with the release cord coming out of the hand on the pinky side. While I don't see any real advantage to it, the grip does work as you said. The biggest thing I noticed was a decrease in power because the arm can't be fully extended. That could be partly my fault though because I'm still trying to throw the way I normally do, and this grip may not be a good match. I'll try it again later and see how it goes.

Regardless of what the image is showing, it looks like you may have (re)discovered the ice-pick sling grip.

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Reply #23 - Sep 5^th, 2021 at 2:47pm

Maybe I guess the last thing I should ask is, what evidence do you have? Why should I believe the cord goes through the hand?

The fingernails in your grip are partially blocked because they are pushed into the hand. The fingernails of the hand in the drawing (not covered by the thumb) can be completely seen. This might indicate that the fingers are relaxed and not gripping anything. AKA, the “on the hand” grip.

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Reply #24 - Sep 6^th, 2021 at 6:41am

My research is historical. So, what I beleave or not, what you beleave or not, don't matter. Only facts and tests count.
I have shown this grip is large and it's necessary to use a soft leather. And that personally, I am safer with a grip "in the hand". And this grip works well.
Explain the past with your truths today is not a scientific approach. Nobody asked how a sheperd uses a sling. Someone even mentioned that paracord is better.
Thank you Joe for testing. I'm interested for your results.

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Hirtius Senior Member Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 272 Gender:	Re: Corsican sling Reply #25 - Sep 6^th, 2021 at 9:38am That wasn’t a response to what I asked about.
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TOMBELAINE Funditor Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 791 france Gender:	Re: Corsican sling Reply #26 - Sep 6^th, 2021 at 11:20am TOMBELAINE wrote on Sep 6^th, 2021 at 6:41am: My research is historical. So, what I beleave or not, what you beleave or not, don't matter. Only facts and tests count. You believe what you want. It isn't my problem.
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Hirtius Senior Member Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 272 Gender:	Re: Corsican sling Reply #27 - Sep 6^th, 2021 at 8:14pm ?
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Reply #28 - Sep 7^th, 2021 at 6:42am

joe_meadmaker wrote on Sep 5^th, 2021 at 1:52pm:

it looks like you may have (re)discovered the ice-pick sling grip.

Yes, it's the best style to sling in my basement.
Hirtius,
Joe Meadmaker is a real specialist of sling because he tested a new method without precon ideas. He is able to account for his impressions. A good man and a good slinger.
Insipid sentences of kind :
The drawing is bad... the artist is not a slinger... as usual... we are THE specialists...
These sentences give us the illusion that we are the best. In reality, they only reinforce the lessons givers.

Test and think for yourself. We'll never know because the Corsican sheperds have long since died.

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Reply #29 - Sep 8^th, 2021 at 1:12am

I guess I need to reiterate the question, since you’re still talking about that I doubt the effectiveness. You’re right, I can’t know unless I test it. But that wasn’t what I was asking. Its effectiveness was not questioned or even mentioned in my last question. That’s why I’m confused.

Hirtius wrote on Sep 5^th, 2021 at 2:47pm:

Maybe I guess the last thing I should ask is, what evidence do you have? Why should I believe the cord goes through the hand?

The fingernails in your grip are partially blocked because they are pushed into the hand. The fingernails of the hand in the drawing (not covered by the thumb) can be completely seen. This might indicate that the fingers are relaxed and not gripping anything. AKA, the “on the hand” grip.

What evidence do you have that this Corsican grip reflects an “in the hand” grip?

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