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Reply #15 - Sep 2nd, 2021 at 8:20am
 
Sorry, Hirtius. You are right. On my video, my grip isn't clear.  Smiley
But this grip works and it looks like the drawing.
This makes two consistent indices. I think that is worth considering.
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Reply #16 - Sep 3rd, 2021 at 11:22am
 
This is why I say it looks like it goes through your hand.
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Reply #17 - Sep 3rd, 2021 at 11:23am
 
It differs from the grip you posted. But even if youíre doing the grip you posted, what advantage does holding it with the pinkie give?
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Reply #18 - Sep 4th, 2021 at 2:27am
 
Hi Hirtius,
There are two possibilities : "on the hand" and "in the hand".
If there is "on the hand", the drawing is bad because the thumb should be in the axis of the belt. Physiologically, the wrist is bend, what isn't confortable.
That's why I think it's rather "in the hand". The text, in French and in Corsican, says : "held in a tight hand".

If I tested with the little finger, it's because I thought releasing in good conditions in this case was not possible. Too many risks of "entanglement". It isn't the case.
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Reply #19 - Sep 4th, 2021 at 7:29pm
 
Youíre arguing something a bit silly. Itís not the style, which Iíve not ever tried before, itís applying it to this case. The picture is bad, but clearly depicts ďon the handĒ. You donít see the release cord weaving in and out of the fingers because it likely doesnít. It probably just goes around the hand as usual. The ďheld in a tight handĒ probably just means itís a tight grip.

As for the actual style of ďin the handĒ, I canít make a true judgement because Iíve never seen it. However, it seems that adding so many points of contact will make error more likely. I think it would need to be better tested. But in general, what advantage would this give over the basic grip? It might be more secure, but if it throws off the release it wonít be as useful. If it works, that would be really cool. But right now, I canít see it working so well.
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Reply #20 - Sep 5th, 2021 at 3:24am
 
Hirtius,
Hirtius wrote on Sep 4th, 2021 at 7:29pm:
Iíve not ever tried before,

Hirtius wrote on Sep 4th, 2021 at 7:29pm:
It probably just goes around the hand as usual


From the beginning, I have been testing. And you ?

See well the drawing and count the number of knuckles before saying : "as usual".
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Reply #21 - Sep 5th, 2021 at 11:10am
 
See well the drawing and these photos.
My idea and one month of testing are not silly.
Sorry for the conventions of the "experts" !
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Reply #22 - Sep 5th, 2021 at 1:52pm
 
I have to agree with Hirtius.† I think it's likely the image is showing the release cord going behind the hand (on the hand).† If there was a more complex intertwining of the release cord in the fingers, it would be important and I think the image would have been drawn to show it.

I tried some throws with the release cord coming out of the hand on the pinky side.† While I don't see any real advantage to it, the grip does work as you said.† The biggest thing I noticed was a decrease in power because the arm can't be fully extended.† That could be partly my fault though because I'm still trying to throw the way I normally do, and this grip may not be a good match.† I'll try it again later and see how it goes.

Regardless of what the image is showing, it looks like you may have (re)discovered the ice-pick sling grip.
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Reply #23 - Sep 5th, 2021 at 2:47pm
 
Maybe I guess the last thing I should ask is, what evidence do you have? Why should I believe the cord goes through the hand?

The fingernails in your grip are partially blocked because they are pushed into the hand. The fingernails of the hand in the drawing (not covered by the thumb) can be completely seen. This might indicate that the fingers are relaxed and not gripping anything. AKA, the ďon the handĒ grip.
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Reply #24 - Sep 6th, 2021 at 6:41am
 
My research is historical. So, what I beleave or not, what you beleave or not, don't matter. Only facts and tests count.
I have shown this grip is large and it's necessary to use a soft leather. And that personally, I am safer with a grip "in the hand". And this grip works well.
Explain the past with your truths today is not a scientific approach. Nobody asked how a sheperd uses a sling. Someone even mentioned that paracord is better.
Thank you Joe for testing. I'm interested for your results.
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Reply #25 - Sep 6th, 2021 at 9:38am
 
That wasnít a response to what I asked about.
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Reply #26 - Sep 6th, 2021 at 11:20am
 
TOMBELAINE wrote on Sep 6th, 2021 at 6:41am:
My research is historical. So, what I beleave or not, what you beleave or not, don't matter. Only facts and tests count.

You believe what you want. It isn't my problem.
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Reply #27 - Sep 6th, 2021 at 8:14pm
 
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Reply #28 - Sep 7th, 2021 at 6:42am
 
joe_meadmaker wrote on Sep 5th, 2021 at 1:52pm:
it looks like you may have (re)discovered the ice-pick sling grip.

Yes, it's the best style to sling in my basement.
Hirtius,
Joe Meadmaker is a real specialist of sling because he tested a new method without precon ideas. He is able to account for his impressions. A good man and a good slinger.
Insipid sentences of kind :
The drawing is bad... the artist is not a slinger... as usual... we are THE specialists...
These sentences give us the illusion that we are the best. In reality, they only reinforce the lessons givers.

Test and think for yourself. We'll never know because the Corsican sheperds have long since died.


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Reply #29 - Sep 8th, 2021 at 1:12am
 
I guess I need to reiterate the question, since youíre still talking about that I doubt the effectiveness. Youíre right, I canít know unless I test it. But that wasnít what I was asking. Its effectiveness was not questioned or even mentioned in my last question. Thatís why Iím confused.


Hirtius wrote on Sep 5th, 2021 at 2:47pm:
Maybe I guess the last thing I should ask is, what evidence do you have? Why should I believe the cord goes through the hand?

The fingernails in your grip are partially blocked because they are pushed into the hand. The fingernails of the hand in the drawing (not covered by the thumb) can be completely seen. This might indicate that the fingers are relaxed and not gripping anything. AKA, the ďon the handĒ grip.



What evidence do you have that this Corsican grip reflects an ďin the handĒ grip?
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