Morphy wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 8:28am:


People will believe what they want, but intellectually honest people are willing to listen to facts and change their views when presented with new information that debunks their original interpretation. I have no interest in reasoning with unreasonable people. By definition that’s a waste of time, but I also assume that many people just don’t have all of the important information.

Bill Skinner wrote on Jun 4^th, 2020 at 11:45am:


As a general rule it’s best not to try to reason with unreasonable people. In my experience, people who call other people Nazis (obviously excepting cases of  self-proclaimed Nazis or actors pretending to be historical Nazis)
A) don’t really know what a Nazi is. They just “culturally appropriate” the Nazi as a symbol of evil to shut down the conversation.
B) aren’t interested in engaging in an honest dialog.
C) Would find some other excuse to start punching  people who disagree with them anyway if you took away the Nazi excuse.

    If I had been born a Black man there's a good chance I'd be burning stuff down.  My memories go back to the '50s.  I can remember separate restrooms and separate schools for "Coloreds"  I can remember Black people having to sit on the back of the bus, Black church burnings, etc., etc., etc.  Just when it looked like America had made some real progress extremists took over and we're right back in the '50s.  Racists who would have been ostracized prior to 2016 are emboldened.  Now it's normal.  This mess was due to happen.  If the Floyd murder hadn't occurred something else would have. If I was  Black I'd be pretty frustrated and pissed off right now. 

https://youtu.be/sb9_qGOa9Go

Kick wrote on Jun 8^th, 2020 at 4:19am:


The biggest refutation to what she’s saying is all the hard working black people that have made a nice life for themselves. What did they do that the looters haven’t done?  Many of them came from poverty. Success is more about every day choosing to work towards what you want most instead of what you want right now.

We have a huge Nigerian community here in Houston. On average the Nigerian median income is higher than the average median income for whites in America. I’ve worked with many of them and for right or wrong most of them have no patience for people complaining about the unfairness of life. They work their ass off and by and large do better than the long time citizens of this country. For this reason there is a rift between Nigerians and American born blacks in Houston. My old boss came from Nigeria and works as hard as any two people I’ve met. He’s also built up a thriving business worth millions. He was on welfare and food stamps before his business took off. No complaining just hard work.

Most of my partners have been black since moving here to Houston. All hard workers, several going to school to increase their income and several in confidence just between us have told me they don’t like being called “white” or Uncle Tom or Oreo by their black friends when they study hard and try to get ahead.

All the things she’s alluding to like slavery and Jim Crow are things she never lived through. The police DO need better training. I agree. But we will never get to a point where this type of stuff never happens. Because we are human and there’s always going to be bad people that slip into positions of power. 

All these protesters deny all the data we have on police shooting of different races. If you want to protest when some turd murders a black man in cold blood I’m all for it. If you can point out inequality in our laws and communities specifically I’m all for fixing it. But that’s not what this is about. Most of the rioting and looting is people wanting to break stuff and get free stuff. This is not how to win people to your side.

EDIT: My bad if that came off harsh. It’s directed more at the lady in the video than you. Problem with this issue is most people have good and bad points and me refuting some of her points doesn’t mean I disagree with everything she’s saying.

I never understood teargas use. How is chemical weapons use a crime and yet every developed country uses it? why would you spray taxpayers with a carcinogen?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Protocol



I got a glimpse of racism when traveling in croatia (2018). There I learned what it feels like.
I ended up in a cell and got slapped. Purpose of detention: to get departed to Bosnia because I looked like Syrian. I'm EU citizen  "You look like Syrian"  "your ID could be forged" This convinced me that police is just an institutionalized and well funded gang.
Policemen can forget how to speak english when you ask for their ID number  but they are good enough to call you asshole when they are in a group of 5. 

I don't think emotions are bad, they tell you something's wrong here. Don't ask from victims of injustice to keep calm, ask for justice. because it happens in HK, it happened to me and it can happen to anybody. I'm not the exception and you aren't either.
what did I do when I got slapped? I asked "what?". There is a time to keep calm and a time to protest.

please don't focus on property when people are murdered

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jun 9^th, 2020 at 11:59am:

I'd like to see the numbers. sources?

If the state can't control the police how do you expect the policemen to control the rioters. Apply the existing laws on policemen and believe me protests will calm and riots will stop. first close the hole then get the water out of the boat.

Matthew 7:5

These discussions are better in person it takes too much time on here.