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Question: To spin the sling or not

Spin (as with balearic, helicopter, etc)    
  12 (48.0%)
No spin (as with greek, byzantine, fig8 etc)    
  13 (52.0%)




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Reply #30 - Jun 14th, 2021 at 1:17pm
 
Currently I've settled on simply using both. I use the diagonal overhand cast with rotor with a shorter and slightly thicker sling of an arms length long for target practice and accuracy, with a preference for ball shaped stones or spherical clay shot. I use the tight grip as it is very secure with rotations. My accuracy this way feels the best as it follows a very instinctive throwing motion. But using this sling and this projectile feels subpar for distance

But for distance I will use a different sling and style, I will use a powerful full body Greek cast with a very thin sling and a very wide grip, with the sling being the length of my extended arm to almost the opposite shoulder. The lack of rotations means I can get very good pouch angles with the extrem thin slings, using a sidearm release with a straight arm (first the hip, followed by the torso, and then primarily the shoulder, then followed by the arm.)  The distance I achieve is greater than anything I have reached ( around 220 meters so far with 60-80 gram elongated pebbles on flat ground,with sea level altidue and a side wind.) The general ammo I would use for this sling is sub 100 gram elongated pebbles, or lead and clay biconicals or tear drops.
But using this sling and this way of throwing feels sub par for short distance target practice as it is not the way we throw naturally, but the distance I get is doubled compared to my target sling.
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Reply #31 - Jun 14th, 2021 at 8:59pm
 
There are a couple reasons I choose not to spin (aka, spin only once), both relating to how I learned. One is that it tires out your arm a bit. While this isn't a big deal for many stones slingers use, I learned on around 150 - 200 gram stones (sometimes bigger). Plenty of slingers do use these stones and also spin, but I have wimpy arms and prefer to cut the corners I can. The other reason is hesitation. I find that when I'm spinning something, I hesitate while trying to find the right moment to throw. With no spin, there is no hesitation because there is no timing with your spin. You sling or you don't. This is more of a problem if you are overthinking slinging, I don't struggle with this really anymore. But this could apply to beginners, so it might be helpful to learn with no spin.

I don't think any of this really matters if you get good enough. I think Jaegoor has mentioned that rabbits or something don't pay attention to the spinning, so it might be a way to cut down on the time of a slinging motion for hunting.
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Reply #32 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 2:59am
 
Some wild rabbits are really stupid, other kinds of rabbit or hare will sprint away at the seeing just slight motion from a hundred meters

Last night I was slinging at a target with a simple 1-2-3 rotor and then diagonal overhand cast (3 rotors in 3 counts then cast on the third count). I think this is the way for the rotor, instill in yourself a select certain amount of turns and stick with it instead of spinning it around a number of times randomly. The counting to 3 and then throw on the third might also help with clearing the mind from distractions
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Reply #33 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 4:27am
 
helicopter spin before release, personally. Gets me in the zone, and adds a bit of extra exercise too 😝
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Reply #34 - Jul 11th, 2021 at 2:50pm
 
I like this demonstration of Greek style.. I do similar
https://youtu.be/e12pRrHitJ0
I have to coil my body backwards for a distance cast.
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Reply #35 - Jul 11th, 2021 at 8:38pm
 
As j stated in regards to hunting variability is from one end of the spectrum to the other.

As a bow hunter I can say in my own experience that rabbits can just lay low and “hide” or sprint as fast as they can and everything in between.
One property I hunt if the rabbits smell hear or see you and they’re are out of there faster than anything. But I hunted one spot one time and the rabbits there would have an arrow barely miss them and just continue on grazing , allowing another shot. Hunting is so variable in that way.
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Reply #36 - Jul 12th, 2021 at 2:50am
 
The hares around where we used to live were very acclimated to humans and even dogs. You could get within 3m and they wouldn't move. I even spun an empty sling above my head and they did mostly run off, but it would have been very possible to hit one. Birds as well I have seen be completely fearless.
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Reply #37 - Jul 13th, 2021 at 11:18am
 
So true. My experience with rabbits is they are nuts at the sanest of times. Rabbits basically are the prey version of cats when it comes to the nonsense they do.


As for spin or no spin... geez. Hard question.

Now Im starting to wonder if one could use a thick, stiff sling designed specifically for something like the apache to get a good throw.

I mean...theoretically there should be some kind of benefit to no spin throws like the apache.


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Reply #38 - Jul 13th, 2021 at 1:40pm
 
   Apache gives you a very quick release that doesn't give game a chance to react, of course.  And it's reasonably accurate. Its drawback is range.  I can get twice as much distance with other styles.
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Reply #39 - Jul 13th, 2021 at 4:08pm
 
I spin the sling for a couple of reasons, but the number of rotations depends on whether I'm trying to throw fast or for maximum accuracy.
I think it was Vegetius that said experienced slingers do one rotation before throwing. The first part of this video is my interpretation of that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3j2IH7AlNE&lc=UgyV_6-wLEdnWY-IeSF4AaABAg
When I want more precision (i.e targets at a further distance), I do more rotations to relax into the right position.
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Reply #40 - Jul 13th, 2021 at 6:10pm
 
I use both Greek without spin and Byzantine and Balearic style
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Reply #41 - Jul 14th, 2021 at 1:25am
 
@albion Can you also get those balls to fly straight? I did it with a longer Balearic sling, no side curvature on tennisball at all + side arm style. That blew my mind
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Re: To spin the sling or not
Reply #42 - Jul 14th, 2021 at 12:35pm
 
yeah it's sort of horses for courses.
I do windups for distance slinging, but not for most things.

You don't really gain anything with a short to medium sling.

But with a long distance sling the gradual speed buildup does really help.
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