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Question: To spin the sling or not

Spin (as with balearic, helicopter, etc)    
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No spin (as with greek, byzantine, fig8 etc)    
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Reply #15 - May 29th, 2020 at 12:15pm
 
That brings up an interesting point Greenjay.† How many rotations does it take before it becomes a spin?† Morphy mention using approximately two rotations.† As do I.† But these rotations are part of an overall sequence of motions.

Sometimes I get the sling spinning, and just keep it moving until I feel like going into the throw.† But this isn't often, and just when playing around.† Never when target slinging.
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Reply #16 - May 29th, 2020 at 3:51pm
 
  I like to spin or rotate most of the time.  It gives me a moment to orient myself and to get the feel of the projectile in the sling.
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Reply #17 - May 29th, 2020 at 8:56pm
 
Greenjay wrote on May 29th, 2020 at 11:44am:
I personally find that with practice you can gauge the weight of the stone with only one rotation, and I don't think that there's any real difference in power by adding more.


When you say one rotation, do you mean one full rotation before the windup and throw?

I used to do the Greek style for quite a while, but it order to throw powerfully The hand holding the stone had to give it a bit of 'kick' to speed it up before release. Was never able to gauge the weight of the projectile properly as one applies force almost as soon as the stone is released from the hand. However I can see if one threw lightly with the style they may be able to gauge it a bit better. Upon switching to Balearic, my range and accuracy improved quite a bit (I throw inconsistent river stones).
But if what you are doing works for you, stick with it by all means.

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Reply #18 - May 30th, 2020 at 10:12am
 
I usually spin once underhand to "get a feel" for the weight of the particular stone, (Which may or may not actually affect anything) and then do an Apache with a single overhand spin.
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Reply #19 - May 30th, 2020 at 10:20am
 
I do think feeling the weight of the projectile helps, even if it's just working out (or "feeling" out I guess) how much power to put into the shot.
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Reply #20 - May 30th, 2020 at 9:12pm
 
"When you say one rotation, do you mean one full rotation before the windup and throw?"

A rotation as a part of Byzantine style.

Ps how do you Mark a quote.
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Reply #21 - May 30th, 2020 at 9:23pm
 
I think if a rotor works for you thatís all that matters.

For me though I only see two uses for rotors. One, if youíre forced to use inconsistent ammo where you actually need to gauge the weight and two if you are hunting game that are in cover. One person maintains the rotor while the other flushes the game. As soon as the game bolts you can get the shot off.

Gauging weight though with rotors is sort of like using extra long arrows when you have primitive arrows of differing spines. Maybe itís a bandaid for a less than ideal situation but better to avoid the situation in the first place if you can.
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Reply #22 - May 31st, 2020 at 12:47am
 
Your examples are good Morphy.† I remember experiencing the second one when we were doing the Pendulum Challenge.† The rotor was started, (thanks for providing the term, I wasn't familiar with it), and the throw was made when the target was in the desired location.

I have the video of that here if anyone is curious and hasn't seen it, https://youtu.be/Z65CWWAWj7Q.

On some of the throws I go through quite a few rotations before making the throw.† Just waiting for the position of the target and the rotation of the throw to line up.
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Reply #23 - May 31st, 2020 at 1:25am
 
Greenjay wrote on May 30th, 2020 at 9:12pm:
"When you say one rotation, do you mean one full rotation before the windup and throw?"

A rotation as a part of Byzantine style.

Ps how do you Mark a quote.

In that case I agree with you. I think "Byzantine" does indeed give enough time to guage the weight of the projectile. Logically rotating might guage it a bit more though, perhaps at the cost of a worn out wrist down the line Wink

I just use the Quote button to the right of that button, and then write underneath.
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Reply #24 - May 31st, 2020 at 5:54am
 
To mark a specific part, highlight the bit you want then click Mark & Quote.
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Reply #25 - May 31st, 2020 at 6:40am
 
joe_meadmaker wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 12:47am:
Your examples are good Morphy.† I remember experiencing the second one when we were doing the Pendulum Challenge.† The rotor was started, (thanks for providing the term, I wasn't familiar with it), and the throw was made when the target was in the desired location.

I have the video of that here if anyone is curious and hasn't seen it, https://youtu.be/Z65CWWAWj7Q.

On some of the throws I go through quite a few rotations before making the throw.† Just waiting for the position of the target and the rotation of the throw to line up.


How have I never seen this video?? That was excellent slinging man! And the orientation of the camera directly behind the path of the projectile makes for a great shot. Yes thatís exactly what Iím talking about. Rotors are really good for that. Even if I donít use them much myself thereís no denying the ability to have your sling ready for an instant shot has advantages.

This was the same idea I was tinkering with years ago when I was working on the ďOvershoulderĒ throw. Which is a no rotor instant throw, like the Apache but faster to get off once in the position. Also same idea behind the Semisling.

Are you still making videos Joe? I didnít have a chance to look through your channel. Think I have a new channel to subscribe to.† Smiley Smiley
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Re: To spin the sling or not
Reply #26 - May 31st, 2020 at 12:05pm
 
Thanks man!† Yep, still doing videos.† Usually every two or three weeks, but no particular schedule so sometimes it's a little longer.† Most are for the Online Challenge topic.† And those are mixed in with other ideas as I have them.† I've got two in the works that I'm really excited about.† But the first of those is probably a couple weeks out yet.
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Reply #27 - May 31st, 2020 at 6:36pm
 
Kick wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 5:54am:
To mark a specific part, highlight the bit you want then click Mark & Quote.


Yeah, tried that but it still doesn't work,should mention I'm using a kindle fire so maybe that's why I'm having trouble?
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Reply #28 - Jun 1st, 2020 at 3:24am
 
Oh maybe. I've noticed it doesn't work on my phone, only on the laptop.
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Reply #29 - Jun 1st, 2020 at 11:00am
 
One rotation is still a spin.  Just sayin'.... Grin
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