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Reply #15 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 2:04pm
 
Gurtractor,
I have a PDF in french  Cry about the battle of Uxellodunum in Gaul.
The archeologists try to measure the strength, the range, etc.., of a bow, a sling and others if you shoot at the top of the hill to enemies below.
I don't find the website today, I don't know if it exists today but I can send the PDF to your mail.
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Reply #16 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 3:19pm
 
Oh that sounds great, I would be very interested in the pdf!  Smiley
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Reply #17 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 4:19pm
 
@funditor: That’s a question for the maths section. You should be able to predict aerodynamic properties with modern day simulation software.
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Reply #18 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:23am
 
TOMBELAINE wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
Gurtractor,
I have a PDF in french  Cry about the battle of Uxellodunum in Gaul.
The archeologists try to measure the strength, the range, etc.., of a bow, a sling and others if you shoot at the top of the hill to enemies below.
I don't find the website today, I don't know if it exists today but I can send the PDF to your mail.


That sounds very interesting, I would love to see that, thanks. I've been collecting a variety of PDF articles all about slings, using google scholar and the very excellent Sci-Hub, it'll be great to keep adding to it. I haven't read through all of them yet, but there's some very interesting stuff that brings up a plenty of questions.
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Reply #19 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:27am
 
TheJackinati wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 1:02pm:
Personally I'd say that long range firepower isn't necessarily about killing people.

It was likely more about forcing the enemy to close the distance in a quick and thus disorganised manner whilst giving your own troops the time to form up into formation (And said sling glandes would probably disrupt enemy archery). Any kills afforded would be a nice bonus.

And having the small, nearly invisible things whizzing over your head like a swarm of wasps... that would definetly demoralize some people, and might make enemy commanders want to 'rush' in to avoid taking further pot-shots.


I saw a thing about Total War: Atilla with regards the slingers in that game, how they were 'OP' because they will slow down any units they are firing upon. I haven't checked out that myself yet, still got a Rome II campaign to get through Smiley  But it's easy to imagine how effective a hail of slingstones could be at disrupting the movement of an enemy group, the sheer force of impact against a shield alone might require you to brace against it.

Sling vs shield tests are something I'd love to see.
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Reply #20 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:25am
 
GurtTractor wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:27am:
Sling vs shield tests are something I'd love to see.


under 100m things get really dangerous for the melee units, slingers can throw heavier and heavier projectiles. one or two stones might be deflected by a shield but an opening might be created big enough for arrows/sling stones (light or heavy)/javelins. the different trajectory of the projectiles can create more troubles to the shield bearer, they'll hold it up to protect from the heavy lobs but they expose the lower body to more straight lead shots or create openings for bounced and ricocheted stones. A terrain where bounces and ricochets don't happen is usually a place a phalanx doesn't want to stand on.
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Reply #21 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 12:13pm
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwiDT8Nvj9E
3:22 they added cloth at the bottom of the shield

2 more things to test: 1)loose hanging leather or cloth as a protection against slings (and arrows if possible)
2) did the sarissas of the last ranks(that where over the heads of the front ranks) provide any protection against enemy projectiles?
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Reply #22 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 8:38am
 
I find my site about Uxellodunum. It is in french.
https://www.uxellodunum.com/uploads/1/1/6/9/116911940/essais_de_tir__2006_v3.pdf
Good reading Roll Eyes
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Reply #23 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 3:38pm
 
Is this the real ancient order?
First a melee fighter.
then the archers.
Then slingers:


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Reply #24 - Sep 25th, 2019 at 6:16am
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 4:19pm:
@funditor: That’s a question for the maths section. You should be able to predict aerodynamic properties with modern day simulation software.

I did some maths on it already, but the result of the equation can only be as good as the input. There are three parameters I found contradictory or unavailable information.
The cw of a droplet or ellipsoid shaped bullet
A data based starting velocity for ancient sling bullets
Terms for Impact of factors like rotation or tumbling bullets, which has an aerodynmic impact also for sure.

If you have profound nformation on this topics, this would be great.
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Reply #25 - Sep 25th, 2019 at 6:18am
 
Also an idea for testing
Penetration effect impact of flat almond shape versus rotation symmetric lead bullets
Penetration effect impact of rptation speed of a sling bullet
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Reply #26 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 12:18pm
 
would be interesting to have both archers and slingers.
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Reply #27 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 1:47pm
 
Es gibt noch einen interessanten Punkt.
Bei einer klassisch griechischen Phalanx hatte die Stellung der dicht gestaffelten Lanzen bereit einen Einfluss darauf wieviele Pfeile eine Wirkung erzielten.
Ich habe auch auf linothorax geschossen. Ein guter Schutz. Pfeile werden effektiv gebremst. Dringen jedoch ein. Ein Blei dringt nicht ein. Aber die Frage ist, was ein Träger der rüstung darunter spürt.
Es geht nicht immer um das reine töten. Verletzen ist oft sinnvoller. Sklaven brachte Geld.
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Reply #28 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:34am
 
The Baleares slung against the ships of the Roman invaders, not to sink them, but to injure the crews. The Romans responded by stretching hide screens over their decks

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1255315799/28
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