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Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:19am
 
Obvious, really-- but here goes. I was slinging with with go-to sling, a simple knotted affair made with thick laundry line (PJ sling without woven pouch); length: finger-tip to just beyond elbow. After some target shooting (23m), I took some pot shots at a tree about 63m away (distance estimated using range-finder on phone). Alignment was good (at first, before I got annoyed), but distance was consistently short. Ammo was irregular rocks (cliff-fall), about golfball sized. Technique was overhead, one rotation.

So I took a few more shots using my older slings (jute, thin braided cords, small woven pouch; length: fingertip to near shoulder), with helicopter style (three overhead rotations to build up speed and tension, then, ideally, well-timed release to avoid slack problems). I consistently overshot the tree, sometimes hit the foliage, and more often got orientation problems.

So: sling length matters; thickness of cords matters; ammo matters (irregularly-shaped ammo leads to rapid drop at the end).
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Reply #1 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 7:15am
 
well, yes Smiley
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Reply #2 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:03am
 
Of course, everyone knows this. But to experience the extreme limit of distance with a given sling length, and the sudden drop of ammo, is still striking.

In a way this is a good exercise for technique. Can I, within this setup (shots fall consistently about 5m short), work up technique to improve distance ? Watch this space.
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Reply #3 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:25am
 
How about elasticity of cords? I enjoy making wool slings but they definitely don't feel as good as paracord or inelastic natural plant fiber cords do. There is a marked difference for me at least in control.
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Reply #4 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:42am
 
Thearos wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:19am:
I consistently overshot the tree, sometimes hit the foliage, and more often got orientation problems.

what kind of orientation problems?

i don't exactly get the conclusion you made. you changed style , sling material and technique and got different results. what should we expect?(i'm curious here, don't misunderstand me )
high drag ammo will lead to rapid drop at the end.

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Reply #5 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 11:26am
 
Hello Mr Sarosh

Orientation problems: with the short, "target" sling, I find aligning the shot on target not too difficult. With the longer sling, i get a wider spread of shot.

It's the same style, btw (overhead rotations). With the short sling, the sling is tense almost immediately so multi-rotations are a waste of time and energy. With the long sling, you actually need two-three rotations to build up speed (the issue then is starting the release sequence right to avoid slack).

Simple point: longer sling-- lots more power
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Reply #6 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 12:02pm
 
mind you, even with a short sling you should be able to get 63m fairly easily.

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Reply #7 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 12:35pm
 
Thearos wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 11:26am:
Simple point: longer sling-- lots more power

i ll disagree with that. it's relevant.

i have this idea: for more speed use a sling just a little longer from what you are used to.

if it is too long compared to what you use regularly then you won't be coordinated.

(*but yes if you want to add energy to the throw bigger stone and longer sling is always a solution. the extreme would be pirouette style or hammer throwing.)
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Reply #8 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 12:56pm
 
I agree with C_A, you should be able to get to 63m with your length.  Pick a "Hold Over" spot above where you want to hit.

I don't think you have a problem with form because you are hitting in line, I think you need to reprogram the organic ballistic computer.  I think you have been practicing at a certain range for so long that you automatically hold for whatever range you normally practice at, no matter how far the target actually is from you.

And different shaped rocks probably isn't helping but it shouldn't hurt that much at that range.  Except the more it buzzes, the further left or right you'll miss.
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Reply #9 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 1:51pm
 
Try slinging without a target. Just go for "as far as possible". Best pick a direction but no more than that. That way you bypass those problems.
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Reply #10 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 2:33pm
 
For me sling length dictates at what weight projectile I begin to noticeably slow down, within reason.. I find shorter slings throw lighter projectiles really fast actually. Especially with light thin cords and pouch.
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Reply #11 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:50pm
 
Forgive me for being pig-headed. I have a feeling that with the short sling, 63m is just beyond my capacities right now. I am aiming high (45 degrees) and slinging hard, and the shots feel right (though I'd have to film myself to see if I'm slacking on release), and the stones are the right size (when I shoot target, at 23 m, I sometimes overshoot if I don't dial it back a little).

I'm going to practice and see if I can improve my form. I might put in a little more body rotation (i.e. start looking away from the target but still aim at 45 degrees).
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Reply #12 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:53pm
 
The weird thing for me is I don't think I got noticeably more range from a 45'' than from a 32-35'', however I can throw projectiles about twice as heavy for the same distance using a 45''. I guess it's a power improvement of sorts...
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Reply #13 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 4:07am
 
That's very interesting, actually. I might experiment with that too (two clotheslines slings, 50 cm and 1 m, and shoot with different weights)
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Reply #14 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:07am
 
video would be good.

A pure helicopter throw lacks power, but even with that if you use the rest of your body properly you can get more distance.

Distance throwing isn't all baout how hard you can throw with your arm, but a lot more about whole body technique.

have you tried balearic or sidearm ?
Done right that tends to get best distance for minimum effort.

Or even the 'byzantine' Which is essentiall a single rotation over head throw. But has a lot more power than helicopter.

target and distance slinging isn't all about sling length and missiloe weight, but far more about different sling styles suitable for different purposes.
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