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Thearos Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Take that Posts: 3417	Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best) Reply #15 - Aug 24^th, 2014 at 4:54pm I want to hear from someone who has slung with both traditional animal hair sling and plant fibre slings. And from someone who can teach me how to make an animal hair sling.
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Thearos Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Take that Posts: 3417	Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best) Reply #16 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:02pm While answering question by Lusitani, I note that the oft-quoted passage by Strabo, 3.5.1, mentions slings of rush, hair (presumably animal, triches in Greek) or sinews in the Baleares.
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TOMBELAINE Funditor Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 791 france Gender:	Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best) Reply #17 - Nov 3^rd, 2019 at 10:35am Hello. It's funny. Video in french https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq9TWDx5SLk I can't say more because I don't try.
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Reply #18 - Nov 3^rd, 2019 at 2:04pm

the sling cords are braided or twisted? is it clear from the text?

there are many ways to do it:
1) fibers twisted to cords, like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISfNZAja3I or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DG26XDPpB8
and then those cords further braided or twisted
2)fibers to braid , like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4ERyUXdYU
3)fiber to thread with drop spindle(like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R0Lb1qA7kE or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUeYJKOYrSk ) and then twisted to cords(by hand or any other way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVAA57SwM88 ) and then braided or twisted to sling cords

I would prefer to have to braid with cords rather than fibers for consistency and speed. so my preference by order would be 3, 1, 2 . with the 3rd way you can possibly use any kind of fibrous material.

linen vs wool I'm curious which one would be more resistant to sea water.
linen is used for bowstrings for it's high strength/mass , I don't know much about wool.

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Reply #19 - Nov 4^th, 2019 at 6:25am

Thearos said :
"Slingers throw stones by turning their arm around the head: they use slings made of linen or "sae tae" (these are said to be the best).

Saetae means "coarse, rough hair"-- so wool tufts ? goat hair ?"
With the video, I explore "saetae". If the slings made of saetae are really the best ( for Végétius), I think it can be interesting to use this way.

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Reply #20 - Nov 5^th, 2019 at 3:56am

Yesterday, in a shop, I buy a ribbon of felt (1.99 euro) and I make very quickly a sling. I think this felt is more or least synthetic but for a first approach, it's suffisant. 1.99 euro !!!

This morning, I test with a ball of tennis and a few bad-shapped stones. I am pleasantly surprised. It's a good sling.
Are there members who tried slings with felt or a shape of ribbon ? Thearos already asked this question.

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Thearos Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Take that Posts: 3417	Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best) Reply #22 - Nov 7^th, 2019 at 10:36am Just a felt strip, cut to shape ? I wondered how the felt was strong enough not to break under the stresses of slinging (maybe braided strips) but this seems to work
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Reply #23 - Nov 8^th, 2019 at 7:07am

Thearos, your question is good. My example is synthetic, and it is not the reality. It is just a first approach.
This morning with a hairdresser for pets, (I don't know the word), I have got coat of dogs. I shall make a small peace of felt and if possible, I shall cut a pouch. My idea is understand and learn the technic. It's the second approach.
After, if I like this job, I try a felt strip like my example.
Of course, I say you the follow-up.

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TOMBELAINE Funditor Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 791 france Gender:	Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best) Reply #24 - Nov 8^th, 2019 at 7:12am My English is not good. It isn't "peace of felt" but "piece of felt".
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Thearos Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Take that Posts: 3417	Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best) Reply #25 - Nov 10^th, 2019 at 4:07pm I wonder if it is a long strip of felted material (saitae, tufts of wool or hair, matted to make felt), making up a tough, unbreakable continuous strip, broadening in the middle to make a pouch
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Reply #26 - Nov 11^th, 2019 at 4:12am

Yes. It's my idea.
Because I don't understand how to make a rope with short coat. With long hair, I understand.
Because felt is an excellent material. Tough and unbreakable.
Because my first test with synthetic felt is ok. I think is a good concept.
It is prove nothing except if this felt sling is possible or not.
Just my think.

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Reply #27 - Nov 13^th, 2019 at 3:03am

My first prototype.
It's also the first time I make felt, so there are some structural deflects.
Coat of dog, nettle and dried clay. The look is

Is Vegetius' idea a sling with only a felted pouch or all the sling ? Why this question ? Because, when the work dries, it's possible to shape it.
I think do another pouch with wool to see the difference.

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Reply #28 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 9:20am

Intereresting ! A german friend said me this morning that she knows a grandmother who makes pull with hairs of her dog in Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WudYZNzyfnQ
Linen, wool (sheep, dog or others) or felt. All these materials are possible. So, I think we will not know exactly what is sling with saetae for Vegetius.
But I think it's interesting to search the subject.

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Reply #29 - Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 7:06am

This sling is not nice but I tested it with an ammunition of 75 grammes.
The pouch is made with felted wool of sheep.
The straps are made with 6 strands of the brown wool. I plaited 6 strands and after I felted the braid.
This sling is solid enough to throw the ammunition.
There are two differences with the tibetan sling. The strands are felted and the pouch is made only with felt.
I think the pouch is too large and it isn't good when the wind blows.

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