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World record lead gland throw!
Apr 26th, 2014 at 6:36am
 
OK, so if you were going for the record…

What type of sling, length and material?

Pouch design?

Gland shape and weight?

Throw/release technique?


Since I live in the UAE and there is plenty of open desert here, I was thinking of painting some glands with glow-in-the-dark paint and throwing at night. Might make them easier to track and find the hole. Still, day/night whatever, finding thrown lead is almost impossible.

I will need a good spotter downrange  Shocked



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Reply #1 - Apr 26th, 2014 at 9:04am
 
you will also need a metal detector. The gland will bury itself quite deep, there is pretty much zero chance of spotting it by eye.

I've been 6 feet away from a lead glande landing on bare earth and even then I couldn't find it. They go deep !

As far as technique goes - whatever you're most comfortable with.
But you will probably need a 45-50 inch sling, small leather pouch and a helluva lot of practice with long sling techniques Wink

The two best distance techniques (based on results by their perpetrators) are yureks and larry brays.
Both use very long slings but two completely different techniques.

Yurek favours a run up and a slanted helicopter technique and larry bray uses a stationary technique based on baseball pitching. Check out the wyoming slinggolf video for larrys style and ther are a few of yurek around on youtube as well.

Larry bray has the official traditional sling and stone world record and yurek has the current unofficial slinging.org record.
Both well over 400 metres.

WE can't record an official record if the glande is not recovered.

Basically the hardest part of this record is always going to be recovering the missile. They hit end on spinning and both drilling action and impact force drive them deep into the ground.
If possible a tiny gps chip and thin wire aerial could be embedded in the glande. Other than that a metal detector is your best bet, with maybe some thin copper wire wound into a groove in the glande to boost it's signature to a detector

Also keep the glande around 2-3 ounces for best density and weight to air resistance ratio. And of  a longer slimmer shape - again for lower air resistance.

And mark both your throwing position and the glande landing with accurate gps (preferably all on video) and at least 2 credible witnesses
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I'd really like an official slinging.org lead glande distance record - sounds like you're well positioned to set our first one Thumbs Up
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Reply #2 - Apr 26th, 2014 at 12:26pm
 
Don't you need some official witnesses for the World Record ?
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Reply #3 - Apr 26th, 2014 at 6:50pm
 
I still think a frozen lake is the way to go.  It won't bury itself AND you get a great witness mark when the gland pocks the ice. Also, you have a long flat unobstructed path to get an accurate measurement from thrower to impact spot.
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Reply #4 - Apr 27th, 2014 at 6:50am
 
Caldou wrote on Apr 26th, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Don't you need some official witnesses for the World Record ?


for a guinness record - sure. We're talking about a proper slinging.org  record Smiley

Plus you have to pay guinness lots of money to turn up (I have looked into it).
And decided it makes more sense for slinging.org to monitor and have it's own records. Guinness can use our stats if they want to Smiley

There will be a slinging.org slinging records section coming at some point in the near future.
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Reply #5 - Apr 27th, 2014 at 11:56am
 
The Guiness guys are kind of....
David Engvall did the record with the metal dart and a hook release sling.
When Yurek (if i remember correctly) contacted them, they replied that it HAS to be done with a traditional sling and stones.
Plus it's a fuss to set all that up,plus big money to pay them.

That's when i totally discarded the idea to attempt to brake the Guiness record.
But i'm totally up to try it on my own,just to prove it for myself.
I'm pretty sure i can do 400m . More than that...not so sure,maybe with a bunch of practice.
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Reply #6 - Apr 27th, 2014 at 11:58am
 
So…

Describe your dream rig for the world record throw.

Details man….details…


No frozen lakes here either, just sand. Lots of sand...
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Reply #7 - Apr 27th, 2014 at 12:42pm
 
My traces are not sufficient to record throw. But it would be great to see the video trying to record / record throw.
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Reply #8 - Apr 27th, 2014 at 2:50pm
 
the 'details' are more about the slinging technique than materials.

Larry bray used a 50 inch cord sling with a small leather pouch and a rock he picked up - yes I've handled both Smiley

I've seen him throw a golfball over the end of a golfclub driving range. We don't know how far it went - but it was still going up when it crossed the fence at the end of the driving range - so an absolute minimum 350 yards, with 1-200 yards wiggle room for final resting place.

It's one of the hardest slinging techniques to master, but it probably transfers the most energy from your body and sling to the missile.

When he hits it spot on he actually falls flat on his face, but even the energy of his falling adds to the speed of the missile.
THis is his more casual throwing style
   

Right at the end of this video there's the throw before the one that left the range completely -  no I didn't actually record that one noidea .
Starts at about 10.06


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Reply #9 - Apr 27th, 2014 at 3:06pm
 
If I'm doing a stone, I'd probably stick to the same weight range as Larry Brays did.

I would probably make mine out of something like dacron or Spiderwire fishing line. This means I'd also have to try my hand at leather fingerloops and release tabs, so I don't cut my fingers wide-open. Smiley

I'll stick with a simple split-pouch design for even less air resistance, and I'd probably use some of that heavy lead-cored fishing line that someone on the forum once made a split-pouched bullwhip out of.
The gains may not be much, but at this small of a scale, even a couple of extra grams in the pouch would help give that slingstone quite a bit of extra oomph upon release. Smiley

(Just for fun, I may make another with a Chamorro style split pouch, and see if that works any better
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Reply #10 - Apr 27th, 2014 at 4:56pm
 
WOW!
CA, You have made a cultural act, when you filmed Larry's style and throw.
I have never thrown a golf ball. Sometimes I have to try.
(He had the same length sling, when I, when I threw on a frozen lake(51.2inch/1.3m)
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Reply #11 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:39am
 
dang.
That is nothing short of incredible.
did he ever try lead glans?
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Reply #12 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 7:17am
 
you want a solid leather pouch. It imparts a lot more spin than a split pouch. Larry's was pretty minimilist. Just a slightly shaped pouch about 1.5 x 3 inches. 
More spin = less wobble and lower air resistance.

There should be a picture around somewhere.

You don't need really fine cord, 2-3 mm paracord would be fine.

Cord widn resistance is pretty negligible. bear in mind that thicker cord is heavier so reacts less to air resistance. It's pretty much a non-factor.

I think the only time larry tried lead was at the end of the slingfest when we were all totally buggered. That was the one that landed right in front of me - but only around 300 metres.
You also have to bear in mind he was 25 years younger when he got the record.
That said, I doubt there are many people in the world who could outthrow him - even today.

Timpa: golf balls are fun.
Pretty much the hardest thing going to sling in a straight line.
Without exaggeration I can make a golf ball turn right angled corners.

When we were using them at hodd hill. To hit the net at 50 metres I was aiming directly at pete - approx 20 metres to the left of the target and I was still missing to the right of the target.  It really has to be seen to be believed.

IF you can get a straight line throw, they will travel a helluva long way. But it's really bloody difficult Smiley
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Reply #13 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 9:06am
 
It looks like Larry uses what I call a "No-drop Figure 8" with a step through which can be a great style with moderate weight ammo from my experience.

If I wanted to improve my distance slinging, practicing with gradually longer slings would definitely help. Any slinger can use a long sling, but it'll take a lot of practice before you are just as comfortable with long slings as you are with short slings.

If you could find some cord like paracord that's heavier and doesn't have the textured outside, that'd be ideal. Then just make a small, slightly cupped, leather pouch and you'd be set.

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Reply #14 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 12:25pm
 
Dan, try nylon curtain cord.  It will be slightly stiff at first but will soften with use.
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