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Re: Sling stiffness
Reply #15 - Mar 18th, 2021 at 8:13pm
 
Silicone thinned with naptha and applied to paracord will yield a much stiffer cord. So far my shooting with a stiff release cord is significantly worse than an identical sling with standard paracord. 
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Reply #16 - Mar 18th, 2021 at 10:02pm
 
I don’t want it stiff but resistance to twist . Stiff needs heavier ammo to overcome . I noticed this in all my trash slings
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Reply #17 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 6:23am
 
@nooc lighweight spherical projectiles such as tennisballs benefit little from a stiffer sling.
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Re: Sling stiffness
Reply #18 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 7:14am
 
AncientCraftwork wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 6:23am:
@nooc lighweight spherical projectiles such as tennisballs benefit little from a stiffer sling.


You are speaking  argumentatively in non-specific relative terms here. That’s the perfect setup for a pointless argument where neither side can even agree on what is being argued about. If you want to understand the effect of cord stiffness, design some experiments and try some ideas out.

The shape of the ammo is irrelevant to the stiffness of the cord.

The weight of the ammo is only one factor. Throwing lighter ammo faster will result in the same tension on your cords as heavy ammo... even if it is in the shape of a cube or a miniature Venus de Milo glande.

I have offered you a method to prove your assertions. Make two slings, then treat one to make the cords stiffer and test both with the same ammo, then tell us what effect the cord stiffness has.  That’s a much more efficient way for everyone to learn.
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Reply #19 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 7:26am
 
You are also speaking in relative terms. ''A stiff release cord is worse for me''. What is stiff, it's all relative.
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Reply #20 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 8:23am
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 7:14am:
The shape of the ammo is irrelevant to the stiffness of the cord.


This is a untrue, unless you are treating and seeing the sling like a simple single cord pendelum.

But this is not what it is. The sling we talk about is made of two cords, with the projectile seated in the middle.
Varying shapes and sizes of projectile react very differently to varying cord stiffnesses. Even projectiles of the same weight but different shape. If you haven't figured, you need to get out and sling more rocks !
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Reply #21 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 9:31am
 
You could probably do up a simple mathematical model of a projectile rotating in a sling pouch. I imagine it would work out something like a modified pendulum.

Key in a pendulum is the weight does not effect the period, however in this case maybe it is different, you also have the moment of intertia of the projectile too. I'll have a crack when I have some time.
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Reply #22 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 10:18am
 
AncientCraftwork wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 7:26am:
You are also speaking in relative terms. ''A stiff release cord is worse for me''. What is stiff, it's all relative. 


Counter-accusations? Really Jauke?  Are you just trying to pick fights?  What is the purpose of this conversation?

What I was implying is “stiffer relative to untreated paracord”. Is that not a reasonable reference standard?  Paracord is manufactured fairly consistently no matter who makes it, and it’s available around the world.
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Reply #23 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 10:38am
 
A cord stiffness of 3.8 stiffies/g/cm is acceptable for tennis balls. Or for the imperial users- cherrios per .008 bananas squared.
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Reply #24 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 10:40am
 
AncientCraftwork wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 8:23am:
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 7:14am:
The shape of the ammo is irrelevant to the stiffness of the cord.


If you haven't figured, you need to get out and sling more rocks !


You are implying that I have no right to speak because I throw more tennis balls than rocks. I am not sure why you are picking fights today Jauke, but here’s the thing... I don’t have to engage with you, because in a week or two, you will have completely forgotten about cord stiffness and will be obsessed with some other esoteric element of slinging that you are just as convinced is the “one trick” to slinging.   It’s pretty entertaining, but I find it difficult to take your theories seriously sometimes.  Go do some experiments, present some evidence, and then tell us all about why you think X is so critical to slinging.
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Reply #25 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 10:58am
 
Am I picking fights here, anyone?
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Reply #26 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 11:53am
 
Morphy wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 10:38am:
A cord stiffness of 3.8 stiffies/g/cm is acceptable for tennis balls. Or for the imperial users- cherrios per .008 bananas squared.


I prefer to measure my sling stiffness in radians per gram per smoot when slinging bananas.  If I am slinging larger ammo like baby dolls, then I switch to radians per pram instead.
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Reply #27 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 12:46pm
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 11:53am:
Morphy wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 10:38am:
A cord stiffness of 3.8 stiffies/g/cm is acceptable for tennis balls. Or for the imperial users- cherrios per .008 bananas squared.


I prefer to measure my sling stiffness in radians per gram per smoot when slinging bananas.  If I am slinging larger ammo like baby dolls, then I switch to radians per pram instead.



Gotcha. So a traditionalist then.
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Re: Sling stiffness
Reply #28 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 1:11pm
 
Morphy wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 12:46pm:
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 11:53am:
Morphy wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 10:38am:
A cord stiffness of 3.8 stiffies/g/cm is acceptable for tennis balls. Or for the imperial users- cherrios per .008 bananas squared.


I prefer to measure my sling stiffness in radians per gram per smoot when slinging bananas.  If I am slinging larger ammo like baby dolls, then I switch to radians per pram instead.



Gotcha. So a traditionalist then.


I consider myself more of a postmodern industrialist, but only when slinging bananas.  My self identity changes with my ammunition.
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Re: Sling stiffness
Reply #29 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 1:32pm
 
AncientCraftwork wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 8:23am:
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 7:14am:
The shape of the ammo is irrelevant to the stiffness of the cord.


This is a untrue, unless you are treating and seeing the sling like a simple single cord pendelum.

But this is not what it is. The sling we talk about is made of two cords, with the projectile seated in the middle.
Varying shapes and sizes of projectile react very differently to varying cord stiffnesses. Even projectiles of the same weight but different shape. If you haven't figured, you need to get out and sling more rocks !


I agree with the shape thing. Imagine rotating a long barbell shaped rock with a narrow middle bar and all the mass concentrated at the end points (rare to find in nature I know  Wink) compared to a simple sphere. The moment of intertia will be so much higher with the hypothetical barbell shaped rock that it would be extremely unresponsive to rotation and inevitably cause cord crossover and twisting if you tried spinning the sling around.
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