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Reply #15 - Nov 27th, 2013 at 6:40pm
 
The Marathon bullets are utterly unreliable-- all are claims of antiquities dealers in the C19th (already critiqued by the Swiss scholar Visscher, I think).

Tissaphernes: yes, that's after 401 BC (he's the guy who fought the Greeks after Kounaxa. That's the argument of the guy who published the first known Tissaphernes bullet, Clive Foss, in JHS 1975. Two more Tissaphernes bullets have appeared on the antiquities market recently).
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Reply #16 - Nov 27th, 2013 at 6:42pm
 
The "Marathon bullets" are more likely to be Hellenistic in date, probably Chremonidean War (260s BC), when a large Ptolemaic camp in Attica introduced a lot of these things into Attica (notably Ilioupolis). At least, that's a good context, known archaeologically.

Another illustration of why unprovenanced antiquities scramble, rather than contribute to, our knowledge of ancient history.
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Reply #17 - Nov 27th, 2013 at 7:00pm
 
Just to make the argument a bit clearer: Tissaphernes is the satrap, in office in the late C5th in Ionia (411 BCE), displaced in 407 BCE, returned to office in the last years, then executed in 395 BCE. Now when fighting against the Greeks in Babylonia, the Persian troops didn't have sling bullets in 401 BCE. But there are sling bullets with Tissaphernes' name. So, perhaps, he learned the idea in 401 BC and applied it to his troops in W. Asia Minor after that. Of course, maybe Greek troops in Persian employ in Ionia say in 411 BCE did know how to sling lead.

The point still remains: not clear when sling bullets in lead start to be used, probably very end of the C5th
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Reply #18 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 2:38am
 
There is a case of a sling bullet which the archaeological context would place in the early C5th. However, the inscription (NAMER), probably a guy's name, is matched on other sling bullets from the 340s BCE. So either there was a guy with the same name 150 years earlier, or that particular sling bullet (from Potidaia in the Chalkidike) is an intrusion in the stratigraphy.
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Reply #19 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 3:37am
 
really appreciate the input here folks! Am tempted to go the full hog and give it a go myself. I live on the South Downs (Sussex, England) so have plenty of space to practice.

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Reply #20 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 4:19am
 
That's the spirit !
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Reply #21 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 4:31am
 
Do you have good slinging stones on your beaches, or is it all chalk ?
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Reply #22 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 10:08am
 
If you really want to go whole hog, you will need to start with a solid leather pouch of the style prominently displayed on the coins from that period.  I don't believe anyone has actually tested that style of pouch, so you will be doing a little bit of experimental archy work in the process.

As far as training, start fairly close, 5-8 paces or so, use tennis balls, (it's much safer for you and the surroundings) and as you get better, back up a pace or two until you can hit regularly, repeat.
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Reply #23 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 10:40am
 
You have no real reason not to try it at least once, just for research. Start up cost is practically nil and some designs for making slings are so simple that anyone could make them. As much as we can help you, it's no substitute for actually feeling what your character will.
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Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #24 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 3:54pm
 
I'd say go on the beach and let fly (as long as there is NOBODY AROUND within 100m in all directions)
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