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Question: Lobbing vs. Throwing

Lobbing    
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Throwing (flatlining)    
  23 (39.7%)
Both have their place    
  27 (46.6%)
I like to kick rocks.....    
  2 (3.4%)




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Re: Lobbing vs. Throwing
Reply #345 - Jan 28th, 2021 at 7:01pm
 
Morphy wrote on Jan 28th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
People feel like they are throwing with more “power” because they put more effort in, but if the motion is inefficient, the projectile energy is not greater than a skilled throw that appears to require less effort.

So for me this is what I term efficiency and a highly efficient throw is one of the big keys to accuracy in my opinion. At least with the figure-8. As is slow, higher torque motion vs faster, lower torque.


Absolutely. Tennis balls don't fly that far so I can get the same range by putting my body into the shot with power as I can by restricting myself to only using my arm.
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Re: Lobbing vs. Throwing
Reply #346 - Jan 28th, 2021 at 7:50pm
 
So... I’ve been practicing two styles a lot in the last couple months with tennis balls... my best is Byzantine. It’s a whole-body motion similar to a baseball pitch, and it flies flat and hits hard. Using a 2’x3’ target with a 12” bullseye  (slightly smaller than Balearic)  at ~10m, I am hitting 8/10 times and hit a bullseye about 1/10 shots

The second style is Balearic sidearm without a power stroke... meaning the rotation speed of the windup is the same as the throw. After the Byzantine it feels super weird to throw so casually.  It’s a lob for sure. My form needs a lot of work, but I am hitting 6/10 and probably 1/20 are bullseyes. With practice I think my stats will improve to as good or better than Byzantine.

Same sling. Same ammo. Same target. Same distance. I’m getting reasonably accurate with both a lob and a “whanger” style even if I alternate between them.

For short range accuracy...Which is better?  Which ever one you practice the most. That’s my theory.
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Re: Lobbing vs. Throwing
Reply #347 - Jan 28th, 2021 at 8:11pm
 
I agree. But I still like whangin'. Plus it's fun to say.
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Re: Lobbing vs. Throwing
Reply #348 - Jan 28th, 2021 at 8:21pm
 
IronGoober wrote on Jan 28th, 2021 at 8:11pm:
I agree. But I still like whangin'. Plus it's fun to say.


Exactly!  That’s why I am trying to get good at both Grin
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Re: Lobbing vs. Throwing
Reply #349 - Jan 29th, 2021 at 2:03pm
 
SerKraus wrote on Jan 28th, 2021 at 7:01pm:
Morphy wrote on Jan 28th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
People feel like they are throwing with more “power” because they put more effort in, but if the motion is inefficient, the projectile energy is not greater than a skilled throw that appears to require less effort.

So for me this is what I term efficiency and a highly efficient throw is one of the big keys to accuracy in my opinion. At least with the figure-8. As is slow, higher torque motion vs faster, lower torque.


Absolutely. Tennis balls don't fly that far so I can get the same range by putting my body into the shot with power as I can by restricting myself to only using my arm.


You bet and "I" bet it took you a fraction of the time to figure that out as it did me. I think I was 20 years into this game before beginning to understand what was going on.  Makes a huge difference though in your ability to fine tune shot placement. Correct ammo weight in proportion to your sling and throw does as well. The difference for me anyways in accuracy between something like tennis balls or golf balls vs my preferred 4.5 oz ammo is night and day.
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Re: Lobbing vs. Throwing
Reply #350 - Jan 29th, 2021 at 2:10pm
 
   This lobbing vs throwing question sort of reminds me of another one sometimes asked here:  Which is more important, power or accuracy?  The answer is the same to both questions.  You need both.
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Re: Lobbing vs. Throwing
Reply #351 - Jan 29th, 2021 at 3:07pm
 
Morphy wrote on Jan 29th, 2021 at 2:03pm:
SerKraus wrote on Jan 28th, 2021 at 7:01pm:
Morphy wrote on Jan 28th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
People feel like they are throwing with more “power” because they put more effort in, but if the motion is inefficient, the projectile energy is not greater than a skilled throw that appears to require less effort.

So for me this is what I term efficiency and a highly efficient throw is one of the big keys to accuracy in my opinion. At least with the figure-8. As is slow, higher torque motion vs faster, lower torque.


Absolutely. Tennis balls don't fly that far so I can get the same range by putting my body into the shot with power as I can by restricting myself to only using my arm.


You bet and "I" bet it took you a fraction of the time to figure that out as it did me. I think I was 20 years into this game before beginning to understand what was going on.  Makes a huge difference though in your ability to fine tune shot placement. Correct ammo weight in proportion to your sling and throw does as well. The difference for me anyways in accuracy between something like tennis balls or golf balls vs my preferred 4.5 oz ammo is night and day.


Tennis balls have limits for long-distance shots, but the fact that they catch so much wind acually makes them good for trick shots where you put some english on the ball... which I, um, totally do on purpose every time, because... yeah...  that ball was definitely heading straight for the bullseye until it curved off at the last second.  That's exactly what I wanted it do to.  yeah. Smiley
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Re: Lobbing vs. Throwing
Reply #352 - Jan 29th, 2021 at 4:43pm
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 29th, 2021 at 3:07pm:
Morphy wrote on Jan 29th, 2021 at 2:03pm:
SerKraus wrote on Jan 28th, 2021 at 7:01pm:
Morphy wrote on Jan 28th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
People feel like they are throwing with more “power” because they put more effort in, but if the motion is inefficient, the projectile energy is not greater than a skilled throw that appears to require less effort.

So for me this is what I term efficiency and a highly efficient throw is one of the big keys to accuracy in my opinion. At least with the figure-8. As is slow, higher torque motion vs faster, lower torque.


Absolutely. Tennis balls don't fly that far so I can get the same range by putting my body into the shot with power as I can by restricting myself to only using my arm.


You bet and "I" bet it took you a fraction of the time to figure that out as it did me. I think I was 20 years into this game before beginning to understand what was going on.  Makes a huge difference though in your ability to fine tune shot placement. Correct ammo weight in proportion to your sling and throw does as well. The difference for me anyways in accuracy between something like tennis balls or golf balls vs my preferred 4.5 oz ammo is night and day.


Tennis balls have limits for long-distance shots, but the fact that they catch so much wind acually makes them good for trick shots where you put some english on the ball... which I, um, totally do on purpose every time, because... yeah...  that ball was definitely heading straight for the bullseye until it curved off at the last second.  That's exactly what I wanted it do to.  yeah. Smiley


Whiffle balls do too. At one time I was making spherical glandes that would fly out  and then steeply arc upwards with correct or rather incorrect palm position.

As far as you missing I am not understanding what's going on. You are naming the target after the throw right? I don't think I've ever missed a target with a sling...
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Re: Lobbing vs. Throwing
Reply #353 - Jan 29th, 2021 at 11:57pm
 
Yeah. Of course. Every target is always named Candace. I’m not sure what’s going wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCwUJZZWI0&t=1m30s
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