On the subject of power, there are a lot of different interpretations of what it means.

I think “power” really means “kinetic energy” most of the time. Power in does not mean more kinetic energy out, which is a point you have made many times Jaegoor. I agree 100%

People feel like they are throwing with more “power” because they put more effort in, but if the motion is inefficient, the projectile energy is not greater than a skilled throw that appears to require less effort.

“Power” may also mean the effect of the projectile on the target. The effect of a lightweight bullet moving fast is different from the effect of a heavy slower projectile with the same kinetic energy. The effect also depends on the target, the shape of the bullet, the angle of the collision... und so weiter.
This has all been discussed before. My only point is that we should clarify what we are arguing over before we start to debate.

Oh good. A non-controversial thread.

Nice ammo by the way J. I bought several clay rollers from CA. I plan on getting them out soon and putting them through their paces. Is that how you made that one?

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2021 at 7:44pm:


Out of the many thousands of posts I've made, with let's face it, at least half being in sarcasm or apathy, I can't be bothered to reread this whole thread and see why the title brings such a visceral reaction. But if you tell me you are part of said reaction I will take your word on it my good man and admit you are right on whatever dumpster fire this thread is. 

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2021 at 10:37pm:


I honestly can't remember lol. Obviously not a strong enough reaction to bother rereading it. Certain subjects definitely ring a bell though so it's either this thread or one like it.

Because of COVID I haven't been able to sling for a while. Since I started this thread a while ago, I did find a way of shooting flat  by putting in a lot of power, but it stresses my elbow a lot, esp. if this ammo is heavy. I prefer to lob, but the problem is how to avoid slack in the release, which is bad form and wastes energy. 

Since I moved this summer and have a bigger back yard, I adopted a routine that lets me develop both.  I have a hanging target in the middle of the yard and from the edge closest to the house, I shoot tennis balls at the target.  Since I miss a lot, they scatter at the back area of the yard.

I used to collect them all at the back and shoot at the target again.  That's a lot of collecting.

Now I have a tupperware tub at my original firing line and sling the balls underhanded trying to drop them into the tub.  Since they collect and don't scatter, I'm all set for the next round of direct firing.

The strange thing is that I drop them into the tub at a longer distance with plunging fire much more often than I hit the closer target with direct fire.  Go figure.

Kilisi I was just looking at your vertical style and was reminded of this ancient Greek guy:

People feel like they are throwing with more “power” because they put more effort in, but if the motion is inefficient, the projectile energy is not greater than a skilled throw that appears to require less effort.

So for me this is what I term efficiency and a highly efficient throw is one of the big keys to accuracy in my opinion. At least with the figure-8. As is slow, higher torque motion vs faster, lower torque.


My only point is that we should clarify what we are arguing over before we start to debate.

Cmon man...you know we like to get a thread warmed up before deciding what we are arguing about.

On an unrelated note Ive posted a lot today. And since I have absolutely no shame, I will continue to do so until people die and give me something to do. That being said if I am posting a lot that means people in my city are generally having a decent day. So in a way...my posting...saves lives...ish.
You may all take a turn staring in awestruck wonder at my magnificence.