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Question: Lobbing vs. Throwing

Lobbing    
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Throwing (flatlining)    
  23 (39.7%)
Both have their place    
  27 (46.6%)
I like to kick rocks.....    
  2 (3.4%)




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Reply #120 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 3:29pm
 
Man, I gotta go slinging.
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Reply #121 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 3:30pm
 
Dan wrote on Nov 26th, 2013 at 3:19pm:
I know you could totally own me in science type things, but using realy simple science, KE is still velocity biased (Obviously you already know this but for others, KE = 1/2mv^2, where m is mass in kg and v is velocity in meters per second), and you are only taking down the weight by a couple ounces, so the power should definitely be in straight throwing's favor.

If KE mattered in terminal ballistics, you'd be right. It's momentum (p=mv) that determines how hard a stone will hit. The equation for KE is heavily weighted in favor of speed. If KE was important in collisions then Linemen and Running Backs would be the same size and speed in football.
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Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #122 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 3:46pm
 
Let's say you took two stones that are the same size and weight(the size of a plum for example) and shoot one as a lob and the other as a flat trajectory at the same target(30m distance), I bet the zinger hits harder. The only way I see a lob winning is with bigger ammo.
I am certain once you go past forty or fifty meters all your shots will start to have an arc but the flatter arc seems better than a high floater.
So I guess what I am saying is within closer distances a straight shot is almost automatic and greater distances demand a lob. I still think I will always try to throw strong straight shots at targets. Lobbing seems more of a distance thing for me
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Reply #123 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 4:38pm
 
I went out today and did a little slinging with rocks that varied in weight from about 180g to 260g. to some these are considered "big smashers" that you would lob. These rocks were easily flat lined at 20 yards. not considered point blank distance by any stretch of the imagination. Wink

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Reply #124 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 4:42pm
 
Masi, You are correct regarding momentum, however while the two sides are no quite as lopsided, I still stand by straight throwing with slightly lighter rocks at a much greater velocity being stronger. The sling is user dependent, and if the slinger is putting more energy into the throw, it should be a stronger throw.



Increasing the angle of a straight (hard) throw for distance doesn't make it lobbing, it is just straight throwing on a different angle (like if you were trying to sling straight at a bird or an enemy soldier on top of a castle). Lobbing is using unnecessarily heavy ammo, aiming high, and throwing with less energy (I'd even say weaker if I wanted to be derogatory, but I won't  Wink ) in order to drop the shot in on the target in a controlled manner.

The historical slingers that utilized 2oz lead glands slinging near 400 yards definitely weren't lobbing, but they did need to increase their straight throwing angle in order to achieve maximum distance.

I would encourage others to sling the same way as it is the most versatile way to sling while maintaining accuracy and great power.
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Reply #125 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 5:14pm
 
Mr Marauder: I would say that 20 m is the edge of point-blank shooting, and in fact already within good lobbing distance.
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Reply #126 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 5:17pm
 
In fact, a good definition of point-blank is the distance at which you can reasonably shoot straight.
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Reply #127 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 5:19pm
 
Dan wrote on Nov 26th, 2013 at 4:42pm:
Masi, You are correct regarding momentum... I still stand by straight throwing with slightly lighter rocks at a much greater velocity being stronger. The sling is user dependent, and if the slinger is putting more energy into the throw, it should be a stronger throw.


Those three sentences aren't actually compatible.
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Reply #128 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 5:23pm
 
Well Thearos, Then I should see some video footage of you slinging at 40,50 60,70+ yards accurately. If indeed 20 yards is so close and unchallenging for you. Grin


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Reply #129 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 5:27pm
 
Point blank = distance at which you can sling straight on. I can sling level at that distance. But I'd prefer to lob. And at 30, 40, 50m-- I have to lob, and it's actually quite challenging and interesting: requires thinking and correcting the shot.
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Reply #130 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 5:50pm
 
"Point blank" usually refers to something being shot at extremely close range.

I understand to technical blah-blah-blah of what the term means, but in general, by most people it describes a very close shot
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Reply #131 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 6:05pm
 
But what else would constitute point blank distance with a sling ? 2 m, 6 m ? Impossible, too short-- think of the nature of the contraption.

The stone has to fly a bit-10, 15m; 20 m is the edge of that "straight shot" envelope.
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Reply #132 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 6:39pm
 
Your missing the meaning of a straight shot. It is simply a shot in which there is sufficient power to launch the projectile along a flatter trajectory. you cant put a distance to this. I can make a fully powered straight shot at 100 yards, all I would do is increase my angle. everything has a trajectory. This "envelope" you speak of does not exist.
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Re: Lobbing vs. Throwing
Reply #133 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 6:42pm
 
He is talking about a distance so close it is nearly impossible to miss.
for me- 5 yards is about right. I use 35"+ slings with figure 8 for accuracy training(my usual slings are roughly that length)...
So my projectile is launched from about 8 feet off the ground(give or take a foot or 2). So I need... a goodly amount of space.

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Reply #134 - Nov 26th, 2013 at 7:06pm
 
Mr Marauder writes "I can make a fully powered straight shot at 100 yards, all I would do is increase my angle."

and Dan writes "Increasing the angle of a straight (hard) throw for distance doesn't make it lobbing, it is just straight throwing on a different angle"

I assume they sling full-on all the time. But at a distance, those really have become lobs.

Anyways, straight shots (not angled), with full power-- they fly straight for a certain distance (then they drop). 20 m is achievable (even I can do it). So it's the edge of the point-blank envelope.
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