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Feb 13th, 2013 at 4:49pm
 
This bow was released recently and Dave Canterbury had a video out on it today.

http://www.goprimalnow.com/Compact_Folding_Survival_Bow_p/cfsb-1-50.htm

Its resonably priced (it can be because its stamped aluminium as opposed to hand worked wood), seems durable, and works allright too.

The tip angle seems a little extreme to me so I think that probably cuts down on speed a bit which is why its fps is a bit below average for a longbow. I'm sure it could still take game though.

And I think its kinda ugly compared to most wood or fiberglass bows. The handle doesn't look to comfortable either but I haven't held one.

Looks cool, sturdy, and has some good reviews though.

I'm comparing it with the Samick Sage now for a travel/survival bow.
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I was pretty good at slinging like 10 years ago.
 
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Reply #1 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 5:06pm
 
I'd take the Samick Sage in a heartbeat over this thing.  The Sage is every bit as compact, if not moreso, it has a much better riser for stability, center shot of the arrow, and a more comfortable grip.  It also has the option of changing limbs, so if you want to practice a lot at one weight to get used to the bow, and then have a set of heavier weight limbs for hunting/survival, that's an option.  Its limbs are recurved as well and made of better materials, giving you much better cast.  The sage riser also has a stabilizer bushing for mounting bowfishing reels.  I would take the sage hands-down over this one.
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Reply #2 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 5:12pm
 
I'm a longbow guy, they just feel right in my hand, they look right to my eye, and they sound right. That said, Im not impressed by this bow. I'd go Samick Sage. (Actually, I'd buy a Greatree but one a lot closer to the Sage than this longbow.)
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Pikåru wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #3 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 5:25pm
 
Masiakasaurus wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 5:12pm:
I'm a longbow guy, they just feel right in my hand, they look right to my eye, and they sound right. That said, Im not impressed by this bow. I'd go Samick Sage. (Actually, I'd buy a Greatree but one a lot closer to the Sage than this longbow.)


So far, I'm pleased with my greatree solo bamboo/PSE Sequoia.  I'd suggest one for anybody looking for a cheap longbow.  The only caveat is that, compared to a well-made longbow twice the price, it doesn't have much arrow speed.  My woodies are doing about 140 through the chrono.  Have you tried one, Masi?  If not, and you're ever in the market, I've got a good link to a site that sells them cheap and offers free shipping.
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Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 5:49pm
 
Cool! I'm definitely interested in seeing where I can find the best price on a bow even if I'm not in a position to buy anything just yet. Right now I've only shot my own and Bill's longbows. But I'm working hard on making more for my collection. Smiley
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Pikåru wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 5:52pm
 
Bill makes longbows?  Does he sell longbows?  I totally need a target longbow for outdoor field shooting, and for 3D tournaments, though I'm probably going to be doing a lot of olympic recurve shooting in the next few years, as I think it'll be more likely to get me sponsored and get my name out there in archery, even if it isn't my first love.

Cheapest prices I've seen on greatree longbows:  http://www.archerytorque.com/hunting-bows/long-bows ; 10-20 bucks below retail, plus free shipping.
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Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 6:45pm
 
First word that came to mind for this bow was "gimmick".  I'm on the fence though, it's tough to know without shooting it.  It doesn't look like a particularly pleasant bow to shoot but I suspect the manufacturer's main selling point was that you could very easily fold it down and stick it in a pack. 

I would stick with the Samick as well.
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Reply #7 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 7:17pm
 
I make selfbows, just like Dan.  Unlike Dan, where I live, Osage is everywhere.  I am going to go get some as soon as it dries up some.

About that bow, I would try to find an old Bear Patriot or Minute Man.  They are simple take downs, the limbs slide into sockets, there are no screws to loose or over tighten.   

That bow stacks badly, that bow picks up 10 pounds in the last two inches.  Your draw force curve should be even, it should not pick up 20% of the draw force in the last two inches.  Stacking like that will lead to short drawing.

I do like the way it folds up, I wonder if you can put some sort of arrow holder on it to hold your arrows, that way, you don't have two bundles.  Not all that wild about the rectangular cross section of the grip, but it will work.  I would say that if you lived in a city and had a Bug Out Bag packed and ready to go, that I would consider it as something to have packed up in the bag.  I would definately get it if I were a bush pilot, especially if I were crossing state lines or flying US/Canada routes, lots less hassels than a firearm.
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Reply #8 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 10:21pm
 
I think they'll still sell a lot as the moderatly uninformed prepper/survivalist type is pretty common these days.

Plus its cheap. Most survival gear junkies won't think anything of the 20% increase in the draw force curve in the last 2 inches of draw.  Wink

I'll keep an eye out on the minuteman bows and the 76'rs type of bows.

I'm looking for a RH 55lb. Probably get it in the next couple months.

Samick definitly looking like the better option over the Primal bow.

Jealous of the osage.   Sad  however there is 1 really good osage tree on the farm where I hunt that hopefully I'll be able to harvest this spring. It's a great wood.

In the mean time, I've got the white woods which are fun too.   Smiley
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Reply #9 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 10:54pm
 
Dan wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 10:21pm:
I think they'll still sell a lot as the moderatly uninformed prepper/survivalist type is pretty common these days.

Yes, yes we are. Wink What's the old saying? I know just enough to know I don't know enough. But I'm getting there.
Dan wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 10:21pm:
Plus its cheap. Most survival gear junkies won't think anything of the 20% increase in the draw force curve in the last 2 inches of draw.  Wink

I can just imagine someone drawing that for the first time after having used only high let off compound bows! Grin
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Pikåru wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #10 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 11:37pm
 
Dan wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 10:21pm:
I think they'll still sell a lot as the moderatly uninformed prepper/survivalist type is pretty common these days.

Plus its cheap. Most survival gear junkies won't think anything of the 20% increase in the draw force curve in the last 2 inches of draw.  Wink

I'll keep an eye out on the minuteman bows and the 76'rs type of bows.

I'm looking for a RH 55lb. Probably get it in the next couple months.

Samick definitly looking like the better option over the Primal bow.

Jealous of the osage.   Sad  however there is 1 really good osage tree on the farm where I hunt that hopefully I'll be able to harvest this spring. It's a great wood.

In the mean time, I've got the white woods which are fun too.   Smiley


You're pulling 55 right now, Dan?  That's pretty high draw weight for a recurve for a guy your age.  Though, I have met some eight graders who are way more developed muscularly than you'd expect too, so I guess it's down to the individual.

Oh, and I have to be a tree-hugging hippy and beg you not to cut down the 1 really good osage tree around, unless there are a bunch of not so good ones around also.  Always a shame to denude the forest.
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Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2013 at 8:23am
 
There are also a bunch of shorter gnarled osage trees around. Not really bow material though. Smiley
They might be ready in a few years though.

While my accuracy does have a lot of work to go, I have shot bows 50-80lbs most days of the past couple years so my 'archery muscles' are better developed than most guys my age.

I only have a 26.5" draw so its really more like a 52lbd draw weight.  Smiley

My most used bows are between 50-60lb draw weights. I like it, it just feels right. When I use a bow that's 'normal' for a guy my age around 35lbs I feel like I'm using a toy and they don't "feel" right. That's just me though.

Masi, While I'm sure they might be surprised by the stack when they draw the bow, they market the bow quite well to cater to the survivalist community. So someone reading about the draw stats probably won't realize how it can lead to short drawing and lower FPS than a bow with higher string angle.
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Reply #12 - Feb 14th, 2013 at 8:27am
 
Yeah, that lower string angle is a big issue with accuracy as well.  It's going to make finger releases harder, more painful, and less accurate.  It might be good enough for hunting large game, but small game is already tough to hit with a bow, and with a string angle like that, they're making it even harder.
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Reply #13 - Feb 14th, 2013 at 11:21am
 
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Reply #14 - Feb 14th, 2013 at 2:24pm
 
Notice that his groups are stringing verticle.  That's that stack I was talking about, it's messing up his coming to anchor, his draw length is slightly different each time, so the velocity of the arrow is different each time.  It will work for large game, not so good for small game, unless you practice a lot with that bow.  Which means it can't stay packed unless you buy two.  And he is a very good shot, an average shooter would have problems.
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