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Re: Sling Use (And Used) for Self Defence
Reply #15 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 3:30pm

Great story, Dan. John is very lucky he didn't get into legal trouble. Anytime you use a weapon to defend yourself, even if you're 100% in the right, you generally have to go through a world of crap. Take it from someone who defended himself from an attacking prowler with a baseball bat.
An excellent non lethan ammo is a horse chestnut. It's big and heavy enough to travel a good distance and hit with some authority, yet it's got some give in that big, green husk. Good stuff...

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Curious Aardvark Forum Moderation Offline Taller than the average Dwarf Posts: 13965 Midlands England Gender:	Re: Sling Use (And Used) for Self Defence Reply #18 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:18pm got to pop into town tomorrow - couple of bags of balloons are on my shopping list Pretty sure I've still got a bucket of sand in my workshop.
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Reply #19 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:30pm

I have stuck together the last three situations balloons with a rubber glue. Thus the balls still hold much longer. Since one finds glue in Reperatur set for bicycles.

In Sóller I have discussed with some Slingern this ammunition. It is a good ammunition for the training. But they are not safty. For a person they would be deadly and would lead to heavy internal injuries.

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fletch_man Senior Member Offline When the Guns are Gone Posts: 364 Gender:	Re: Sling Use (And Used) for Self Defence Reply #20 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:33pm I wonder which would do more damage, the tape wrapped battery or the horse chestnut. I wonder how much a water chestnut would hurt. Has anyone slung a green walnut? I found out that if you sling a hardboiled egg at a brick wall, it just vaporizes....
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Re: Sling Use (And Used) for Self Defence
Reply #21 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:43pm

CA, I ment he is Christian like me, we usualy just repremand each other if we are getting to pridefull. (BTW feel free to do the same to me as well). Listing the fact he was a Christian was just more Chracter background to get the idea of what kind of guy he is, around here it means a lot, and also how I know him. I dearly apologize if I appear arrogant online as that is not at all my intentions, In real life I'm usualy pretty laconinc and laid back, same with 'John'.

The situation ended up the best way it could with the entire thing being swept under the rug. It's a vocational school so small knives are still really frowned upon but moderately common. The whole encounter was only a few seconds and the sling was just the first thing he thought of, and he wasn't really aiming for the head, just trying to stop the guy by throwing at him and getting his attention and stopping the initial attack. And It's not like he was in a coma for a while, he just blacked out for a sec, long enough for the situation to cool down though.
Ask anyone who's been in a serious fist fight or fire fight, You don't "think" in a situation like that, you just act or in his case, react. Your morals, tactics, and motives are decided before and after, not during. And John and I are not the kind of guys that wouldn't act in the case of a guy getting stabbed.

I haven't used them but I would think the general concept of the Rusty Ball is where your best LTL ammo is going to be. Some kind of casing with sand inside that deforems impact.

Paper and duct tape is just a quick easy ammo we used a lot as kids and he felt like making another that morning. Having been hit with one and having also hit 'John' with one (Sling Duels Cool

) just paper and duct tape is like getting hit by a cheap paintball gun. Though if you increased the size up to large egg size it'd probably be more like a high end paintball gun.

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I was pretty good at slinging like 10 years ago.

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Re: Sling Use (And Used) for Self Defence
Reply #22 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:54pm

fletch_man wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

I wonder which would do more damage, the tape wrapped battery or the horse chestnut. I wonder how much a water chestnut would hurt. Has anyone slung a green walnut? I found out that if you sling a hardboiled egg at a brick wall, it just vaporizes....

I have slung a Green Walnut and been hit with one too. They'd probably be pretty similar depending on how much duct tape and what size battery you used. I imagine slinging a D battery would probably be quite leathal Wink

. Walnuts would really really hurt if slung full force, but they'd probably be just in the LTL catagory unless you crushed the trachea or something. I got hit with one when I was slinging to the left of 'John' and his sling cords got tangled and released way late (sidearm throw), and hit the back of my hand. It really hurt and my hand was numb for a little while and smelled wierd from the walnut but there wasn't anything broken. and I preceded slinging a little while after. This was far after the apex of the throw however the reasults would have been different if it had been straight on from the apex.
It reminded my of getting hit hard in the hand with a stick or plastic light saber in the winter as often happens when mock sword fighting as kids. So If a rock out of a sling is like getting hit full force with a war hammer/mace, getting hit with LTL ammo would be like getting with a smallish stick, like a large switch.

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I was pretty good at slinging like 10 years ago.

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Re: Sling Use (And Used) for Self Defence
Reply #23 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 6:23pm

benkolmer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 2:45pm:

What exactly is this rusty ball everyone keeps
mentioning?

I'm with you Ben. I'm still confused by the 'rusty balls'. I mean intellectually I know what rusty balls are but I'm lost in translation here somewhere and admittedly struggling with not sliding into the gutter a bit.

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Re: Sling Use (And Used) for Self Defence
Reply #24 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:01pm

Wow, a sling, a knife and a tazer involved - and we're talking about a school!
I wonder what happens in really dangerous places?? Grin

Seriously, things like these makes me reconsider how lucky I am to live "on the other side of the pond" Wink

but we already talked about this, I don't want to begin another discussion on this matter; I'm just kidding a bit.

What I am curious about is, what was the guard doing? I mean, if John understood "kid 2" intentions, and he's not a guard, what was the guard looking at??
Well done anyway; but next time, aim to the body Wink

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Re: Sling Use (And Used) for Self Defence
Reply #27 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:44pm

Jaegoor wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

In Sóller I have discussed with some Slingern this ammunition. It is a good ammunition for the training. But they are not safty. For a person they would be deadly and would lead to heavy internal injuries.

This is a good point. I really don't see the deforming as eating up too much of the energy that is being transferred into the target. And an insulated battery I would say is probably similar, or not really that much worse. But given that a knife was brandished, legally and morally, use of lethal force is acceptable. Luckily that wasn't the case. As Ratman pointed out using a weapon usually entails consequences and shouldn't be used lightly or shirked entirely.

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Re: Sling Use (And Used) for Self Defence
Reply #28 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 2:23am

perpetualstudent wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:44pm:

This is a good point. I really don't see the deforming as eating up too much of the energy that is being transferred into the target.

If you take a rusty ball in your hand and squeeze it,you'll be surprised how much force it takes to flatten it.You could put it on a table and suddenly push on it with your whole body weight and still it might not be totally flattened.
Also at an impact, it increases it's surface area by a LOT,almost like the surface of a palm. Of course a rusty ball can be made bigger and smaller. Besides a headshot all of them would be LTL and probably as painful as a beanbag fired from a shotgun,but a powerful headshot with a bigger rustyball could easily knock someone in a coma or even worse,me thinks. If a tiny blood vessel blows in the brain you know what it means..And as we know it, a sling is not a shotgun with a premeasured amount of powder charge.

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Re: Sling Use (And Used) for Self Defence
Reply #29 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 6:44am

I thinks that the rusty ball is quite powerful ammo. Like jlasud said it takes great amount of force to change its shape(especially when it's filled with very fine sand) . Though they could be considered a LTL weaposn(for me they are ltl when they weight no more than a 60-80 grams) it is still dangerous to use them against one's head...Aim for the body...As for the story, Dan your friend did something good, despite of the head shot that he gave the guy...

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