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Reply #120 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:45pm
 
+1 to what RatMan said. Also try and be the first one to call the police, and make it clear to them that you are not the aggressor.
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Reply #121 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 7:16am
 
wanderer wrote on Jul 12th, 2013 at 4:44pm:
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I think if I was attacked, I would either get my pocket knife out, or pick up the heaviest stick I can find and use it as a club/staff

Just curious, but what is the 'official' police view on these things in the U.K. nowadays? I was given to understand, some years ago I admit, that carrying anything for the intent or even consideration of use for self defence left one open to immediate arrest. I guess you couldn't really arrest yourself  Grin. Is this a matter of police discretion?


There are times when it can be illegal, but it is only usually if you carry a large knife or other offensive weapon. I only carry a penknife, Swiss army style with a blade length of 2.4 inches. It is legal to have a penknife or multitude on you, although it may not be in certain areas of Northern Ireland and restricted areas like airports and Buckingham palace etc. They fall into the same category of self defence weapons as defence spray, which women sometimes carry on their way through cities late at night. It is basically a less powerful version of the pepper spray the police use. Obviously some discretion is used, for instance if someone walked past and told you to give them your hat, it likely wouldn't be considered reasonable to then stab the hat thief. It would be better to try and talk him out of it, if you believe yourself to be able to stand up to him then do so. But it also may be better to give him the hat and then immediately ring the police and give all the details you can of where he is, what he looks like, his age etc. If you ring us as soon as he is out of earshot, we can probably find him pretty quickly if we know what area he's been in very recently. Even if you think you can stand up to him, it is probably better just to give him the hat because it's impossible to tell what weapon her might have concealed or if he has some friends with him that you can't see. One point though, if someone tries to kidnap you, put up as much a fight as you can. Make a lot of noise, fight for your life. There have been a lot of cases in America where someone has been kidnapped, and then the kidnapper has kept them alive, locked in their house and tortured them. When this happens, there is no real way the police can know, unless someone sees the kidnapper doing it. One man in America was kidnapped and then tied up in a basement and tortured for 3 months before he died of malnutrition. Obviously only fight for your life if you are sure your getting kidnapped. And remember, in the UK, if it's an emergency, dial 999. If it's not an emergency, or you want to report a less urgent crime that isn't happening anymore, dial 101.
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Reply #122 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 7:25am
 
Rat Man wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 11:06am:
Any time you use any sort of weapon for self defense or anything else make sure your butt is covered.  Even if you are completely in the right you will get dragged through the legal system.  I was attacked by a prowler in my own front yard.  Because I used a weapon to defend myself, a small, child's bat,  I was arrested, cuffed, and charged with aggravated assault.  Though the charges were eventually dropped I had to hire a lawyer at a cost of $1500.00 and was tortured by the system for six months. As Dan says, better to be judged by twelve than carried by six but MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS before you use a weapon.  Otherwise you'll be in a world of poop. 


Its slightly different in the UK though. If there are witnesses to say that it was in self defence, and you can prove it yourself, you should be OK. Especially if its on your front garden. Although I am not a lawyer or a judge, so don't take this as fact.
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Reply #123 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 10:27am
 
Nominally it's the Anerican position, too. But that doesn't keep you from going through lengthy, costly, and stressful court proceedings where that proof and witness testimony is verified and/or refuted.
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Reply #124 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 6:22pm
 
Yes. It can be hard to prove that you only used a weapon for self defence and it was reasonable force. Especially if there are no witnesses or other solid evidence such as video. If possible, its better to use your bare hands or a weapon you found while being attacked in order to defend yourself, because then it's easier to prove that you didn't go out with the intention of injuring someone and you were acting out of self defence.
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Reply #125 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 12:13pm
 
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What's your take on lacrosse balls as LTL ammo? Those seem like they would not only be less-damaging to solid stuff, but they would also hurt like hell


They're really solid and dense.  I think they would do as much damage as a rock of comparable weight.

I've never slung one, but I have a bunch to juggle with, and we took them to a softball field to do some batting and fielding practice.

Wow!  They really travel, and they REALLY bounce.  A normal softball slows down on each bounce, but these seemed to speed up.  Everybody ended up scared of them, and we lost a few that bounced out of the field into the woods.
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